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Medal Enquiery

#1
I am looking for information, Or an answer to my Medal Conundrum?

Some of my serving comrades were given the "Gulf War" medal, for serving in Cyprus, on a UN peacekeeping tour in 92.
As it was deemed that they were in a so called Scud Missile hit range.

I have also served in Cyprus on a UN Tour in 2002 and 2003, when it was all kicking off again in Baghdad.
Again within this so called Scud Missile Range.

Question..Were the guys from 92 eligable for this medal and do i and my fellow comrades fall into the same category?

Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated....DWTD
 
#2
Qualifying Criteria For Op Telic Medal

The Iraq Medal was awarded for 30 days continuous service on Op Telic in specified qualifying areas of the Middle East between specified dates during the build up to and the conflict in 2003.

The Iraq Medal is now awarded for 30 days continuous service on Op Telic in Iraq. Air crew are awarded the Medal for 10 sorties into Iraq.

The Iraq Medal with Clasp ‘19 Mar to 28 Apr 2003’ was awarded for 7 days continuous service on Op Telic in Kuwait or Iraq between the dates of the conflict (19 March to 28 April 2003). Air Crew were awarded the Medal with Clasp for 2 sorties into Kuwait or Iraq between those dates. Naval personnel were awarded the Medal with Clasp for 7 days continuous service at sea within certain specified geographical boundaries between those dates.

Subsequent tours to Iraq are not recognised by award of bars or numerals. There is no precendent for this in British medals, though it has been the case in NATO medals.

Full details are laid out in DCI JS 34/04 and were amended in 2005DIN 01-009.
From - http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceFor/Veterans/Medals/Iraq.htm

Qualifying Criteria For Gulf Medal

The Medal with Clasp '16 Jan to 28 Feb 1991' was awarded for seven days continuous service in the Theatre of Operations as defined in the regulations between these dates, which signify the dates of the actual war.

The Medal with Clasp '2 Aug 1990' was awarded to the members of the Kuwait Liaison Team who were in Kuwait on this date.

The Medal alone was awarded for 30 days continuous service in the Area of Operations as defined in the regulations between 2 August 1990 and 7 March 1991.

Full details are laid out in DCI Gen 185/91.
From - http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceFor/Veterans/Medals/Gulf.htm

I suppose it's the qualifying areas/Area of Operations that differs in that Cyprus may well not been included in the AOO for Op TELIC. You'll need to get hold of the DCI's /DIN on the Intranet to get the full details.
 
#3
(Clenches fists, tries not to scream) ...why would you want an Iraq Medal for serving in Cyprus? Most of the people I've met who got one in 91 for being on the p*ss in Ayia Napa have the good grace to be embarrassed about it. What did you do in 02-03 on the Green Line that actually had any effect on matters in Iraq?

I don't have a 91 Gulf Medal, I have a "Kuwait" bar to my GSM. I wasn't there for the war, and I would feel a fraud if I wore a medal purporting to have been. I was however in Kuwait for 4 months following Granby, during which we buried corpses by the hundred on the Basra road, then spent two months tooling up and down the Kuwait / Iraq border where we got shot at by Americans (bless em), Iraqis and assorted locals, before having the yanks set off the biggest fireworks display I've ever seen virtually in my doss bag (St Georges Lines explosion).

I feel I've earned my strip of tin for having been there and done that; if you were given a Telic medal for sitting in Cyprus, would you feel the same? I would hope not.
 
#4
Themanwho said:
(Clenches fists, tries not to scream) ...why would you want an Iraq Medal for serving in Cyprus? Most of the people I've met who got one in 91 for being on the p*ss in Ayia Napa have the good grace to be embarrassed about it. What did you do in 02-03 on the Green Line that actually had any effect on matters in Iraq?

I don't have a 91 Gulf Medal, I have a "Kuwait" bar to my GSM. I wasn't there for the war, and I would feel a fraud if I wore a medal purporting to have been. I was however in Kuwait for 4 months following Granby, during which we buried corpses by the hundred on the Basra road, then spent two months tooling up and down the Kuwait / Iraq border where we got shot at by Americans (bless em), Iraqis and assorted locals, before having the yanks set off the biggest fireworks display I've ever seen virtually in my doss bag (St Georges Lines explosion).

I feel I've earned my strip of tin for having been there and done that; if you were given a Telic medal for sitting in Cyprus, would you feel the same? I would hope not.
Im only trying to quantify the reasoning behind the medals given to the guys in 92 to present day.
Far be it from me to try and wear a medal not properly earned.
I know some of the guys in my Regt wear the medal, without I SUPPOSE EARNING IT!!
 
#5
dance_with_the_devil said:
Question..Were the guys from 92 eligable for this medal and do i and my fellow comrades fall into the same category?
Seems to me you're wanting a tad more than to "Quantify the reasoning", my jolly Dancer.

But then again maybe I'm just being uncharitable. After all I wasn't at the Battle of Jubilee, but I've got the gong...
 
#6
Thanks for the INFORMATIVE input!! :tp:
 
#7
Maybe I'm being a little too subtle. If you wish me to be more "informative", so be it.

I've been inferring that you are a tin hunting saddo who wants to wear a medal without doing anything for it. When you denied this with a desire to "Quantify the reasoning" (whatever that means), I displayed a quote from your first post, where you were clearly fishing for a chance to do a Muttley (If you're too young to remember "Catch The Pigeon", that won't mean much to you). What's the matter, the UN Cyprus medal not cool enough for you?

If you want an Iraq Medal, volunteer for a tour in Iraq.
 
#8
By the way, a quick search of the tinternet reveal the following options for Churchill's famous quote:

Bessie Braddock: “Sir, you are drunk.”
Churchill: “Madam, you are ugly. In the morning, I shall be sober.”

"I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly".

Bessie Braddock: "Winston, you're drunk"!
Churchill: "Bessie, you're ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober."


Please feel free to use any of them so as not to mangle the English language any more than necessary. And please stop SHOUTING.

Personally, I prefer:

Nancy Astor: “Sir, if you were my husband, I would give you poison.”
Churchill: “Madam, if you were my wife I would take it.”


I hope that's informative enough for you, Dancer.
 
#9
Themanwho said:
Maybe I'm being a little too subtle. If you wish me to be more "informative", so be it.

I've been inferring that you are a tin hunting saddo who wants to wear a medal without doing anything for it. When you denied this with a desire to "Quantify the reasoning" (whatever that means), I displayed a quote from your first post, where you were clearly fishing for a chance to do a Muttley (If you're too young to remember "Catch The Pigeon", that won't mean much to you). What's the matter, the UN Cyprus medal not cool enough for you?

If you want an Iraq Medal, volunteer for a tour in Iraq.
He.He,
Me a saddo, methinks not.
If i truly want a medal, theres plenty on e-bay. :sleepy: Zzzzzzzz
 
#10
Dance, you're a tw@t.

How could you be so naive to post your original question and not expect the derision it deserved.

The Man Who is quite right - why would you want an Iraq medal for serving in Cyprus? Have you no shame? Do you like your Jubilee medal when most cringed with embarrassment when we received them?

If you want medal go and do the business in Iraq or the 'Stan like everybody else.

I guess you are either Crabfat or All Girls Corps. Either way, you have a small penis.

Besides, it's spelt 'enquiry'.
 
#11
Different thread but when is the next possible 'medal for nothing' going to occur! I refer of course to medals such as the Queens Golden June Jamboree Medal which we all wear with pride.

Will it be a Charles coronation medal? Oh and will he be called King Charles or has he decided on another name as per other royals?
 
#12
No doubt there will be a coronation medal when The Prince of Wales is crowned King George VII (so I've been told).

In 1953 the criteria for the award of the coronation medal was very tight. Those on parade for the Queen got one but those who were route lining were only issued 2 medals per 10 men on duty. It meant a detachment of 28 received 4 medals whereas a detachment of 30 received 6. My father was one of the 28 to get one. He felt this was unjust and never wore it or the ribbon despite having 6 other medals at the time.

VC and GC holders received it as did Yeoman Warders at HM Tower of London.
 
#13
Surely the next coronation is later this year when a certain G Brown takes on the mantle of Dear Leader. Off to the tailors to get your GBCM court mounted, then Dancer, and you won't have to buy it on ebay...
 
#14
I think Dancer has been unfairly shredded here. It was an honest question - whatever the motives. I too have heard that 'some' blokes on Op Tosca got the Gulf Medal in 91- though quite why is beyond me, as the 'Scud range' argument seems rather tenuous. I'd like to have it cleared up too - and I was not there, and neither do have I any pretensions for being a big timing walty cnut and applying for one.

As for the next free-for-all. I've heard it mooted there's going to be Diamond Jubilee medal in 2012. This is not without precedent, as Queen Vic had one knocked up for the boys back in 1897 for her 60th.

They have five years to get it right anyway - providing of course that they can find the funding to pay for its striking, what with other (more) pressing issues at stake that same year.
 
#15
Nah, fcuk him.
 
#17
Themanwho said:
dance_with_the_devil said:
Question..Were the guys from 92 eligable for this medal and do i and my fellow comrades fall into the same category?
Seems to me you're wanting a tad more than to "Quantify the reasoning", my jolly Dancer.

But then again maybe I'm just being uncharitable. After all I wasn't at the Battle of Jubilee, but I've got the gong...

Whats yor full name the man who?
"the man who has a go at people whilst sitting behind a computer keyboard but wouldnt have a go at them if they were in the same room"
or
"the man who shouts about useless medals but still wears his Golden Jubillee medal on every occasion and collects as many ARSE medals as possible"
or
"the man who is 5feet tall and has to sit on an orange box to see his computer screen"
either way show a bit more respect to other users mate.
 
#18
Actually, my full name is "The man who didn't shag Gary Numan's no-neck, one-leg sister". Long story.

As to the Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal, I wear that because it was issued. As should you if you're in the mob and have been issued one, because it's not an optional extra. My beef with Dancer is that he seems to be actively looking for a way to get a medal, which many others have earnt the hard way, for a tour he hasn't done, on the premise that when he was in Cyprus he wore desert combats and that's close enough.

On the rest of your post, virtual handbags at dawn, is that what you suggest? "My Dad is bigger than your Dad"? No ta. I occasionally do have a go at people in the same room as me, but only if they're being cnuts. As for showing respect to other users, fair enough as long as they aren't being cnuts, asking cnutish questions or are Frenchperson/slrboy.

For your information I'm nearly 5'1", anyway.
 
#19
Units based in Cyprus (non UN) did indeed receive the Gulf medal for nothing more than being in Cyprus during the conflict. I still take great pleasure in belittling them to this day.

If that winds people up (and rightly so) the fact that the civilian admin staff were issued one also should be the final nail in the coffin.
 
#20
And don't forget the civvy stackers in Donnington, ISTR!

Edited to add that this orange box is giving me splinters.
 

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