MCTC Colchester

#1
Any former Military criminals on here? :wink:

What I would like to know, is if any of you went away to the Glasshouse at 'Collie' only to return to your Unit and find that your career improved because of it?

The closest I came to the place was as an RP on a prisoner escort, (And boy, what kind of c*nt do you have to be to join the Provost Staff Corps?) but anyone I ever met that had done any time there, seemed to fly up the ranks if they knuckled down, did their time and returned to duty when it was over.

In my experience The Army absolutely love a reformed criminal. Probably because it reinforces their belief that the system works.

Thoughts?
 
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#2
One of the CSgts in my coy at RMAS had spent more than a year there in the 1970s: he was an ace soldier who went on to be RSM of his battalion and pick up an LE commission.
 
#3
S'true. You'd have thought a stint at the Motor Cycle Training Centre would be a career ender. But it's like a sort of junior GCC!

Having said that - if you sent people off to that kind of regime for a six month stretch - bullsh*t day in, day out, and on top of that they knew that they'd finish their 22 as a stripey, I think you'd have a lot more people just thinking "Ah, f*ck it..." and acting like it was a civvy prison. With drugs! And Homolosexuals! And Other Civvy Things!

As it is, they know that if they work hard, they too can "Reap The Benefits". Whatever that means.

Plus I'm sure there are a load of guys out there in the Field Army who are doing very well, who at one point or another, should have ended up inside, for something...
 
#4
chickenpunk said:
One of the CSgts in my coy at RMAS had spent more than a year there in the 1970s: he was an ace soldier who went on to be RSM of his battalion and pick up an LE commission.
The MPSC sometimes used to live with us. OK really and always good for a laugh. What a lot of guys did not realise was that army nick was basically a retraining place rather than lock up, throw away key. Difficult types who may have come from harsh background benefitted the most as it brought home the trueism that one cannot be made to do anything other than be sorry they disobeyed (apologies to the guy who uses that sig).
 
#6
LBdr_Pigshagger said:
What I would like to know, is if any of you went away to the Glasshouse at 'Collie' only to return to your Unit and find that your career improved because of it?
I thought the idea was to help out those inside

Military Corrective Training Centre.. not there to punish, but to retrain/educate. Drive past it occasionally, looks like a nice place.
 

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#7
Gizzit said:
Plus I'm sure there are a load of guys out there in the Field Army who are doing very well, who at one point or another, should have ended up inside, for something...
I think it would be more accurate to say that all of us have swerved past a trip there, it is only those who get caught who go.
 
#8
I knew a BSM who said the place had made him and reckoned he would have ended up in a civy nick without it. He never told us what he had done and never drank either, hmmmmmmmmm interesting.
:twisted:

Dealing as I do with probationers and PCSO's all day I often wish the Met police had a corrective training centre, probably at Hendon and with lots of running about. The nearest thing we had "the naughty boys course" seems to have died a death about five years ago (and that was lots of thearapists and self examination, probably a lot harder in manyways) :D

Still we don't even do drill anymore so some hope.

Trotsky
 
#9
Hi,
I was in the Navy and ended up in Colchester for fraud charges. I am female, so getting there was unusual for a navy girl plus my rank was fairly high compared to everyone else there!
I was releasd 14 days early and on my release the CO told me that if I decided not to leave the navy I would probably be fast tracked and was potential 'officer material' now.
I left the Navy the day I was discharged from colchester. it took me AGES to get over leaving the forces and the fact that The navy knew I wanted to leave and used a petty crime that everyone undertakes to make an example of me really took me a long time to get over as I was REALLY committed to the forces. Colchester was hard, but I just kept my head down and got on with it. it was physically hard and I Hated getting locked up at night, that really freaked me! I also was not too happy that us girls that were on Discharge from forces were made to play football with the guys kept in the wing for murderers and sex crimes as the officers were afraid the other guys would attack them!! if anyone wants to know anything else, please let me know
regards
T
 
#10
CTM fraud was it?
 
#11
sunbeam5 said:
if anyone wants to know anything else, please let me know
regards
T
How big are your knockers ? :)
 
#13
Bloody hell!! From informative thread to sexist comments in 2 entries. Gotta be a record.

Seriously there is a still a small minority of serving personnel who see the MCTC as the Jailhouse. Having attended a brief by the Commandant MCTC recenlt I left it impressed. He stated that if you gave him a soldier for more then 14 days he would return to your unit a far better, fitter trained soldier. There was no point in judges awarding 6 months and discharge, that did nothing. But 3 moinths and soldier on was a different prospect.

I await any comments.
 

B_AND_T

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#14
How often do you wash your fadge.
 
#15
IIRC the female wing was shared with the stage three guys, so i doubt they were murderers and sex cases, those feckers were put in the block. As to the MPS being cnuts, there were one or two (shergar) who were, but the majority were top blokes, even the greek fecker off trisha :lol: . As a crab i found the training tough and quite different to what i was used too, but in some perverse kind of way found it enjoyable. Were you sentenced to be discharged or did you PVR?
 
#16
sunbeam5 said:
Hi,
I was in the Navy and ended up in Colchester for fraud charges. I am female, so getting there was unusual for a navy girl plus my rank was fairly high compared to everyone else there!
I was releasd 14 days early and on my release the CO told me that if I decided not to leave the navy I would probably be fast tracked and was potential 'officer material' now.
I left the Navy the day I was discharged from colchester. it took me AGES to get over leaving the forces and the fact that The navy knew I wanted to leave and used a petty crime that everyone undertakes to make an example of me really took me a long time to get over as I was REALLY committed to the forces. Colchester was hard, but I just kept my head down and got on with it. it was physically hard and I Hated getting locked up at night, that really freaked me! I also was not too happy that us girls that were on Discharge from forces were made to play football with the guys kept in the wing for murderers and sex crimes as the officers were afraid the other guys would attack them!! if anyone wants to know anything else, please let me know
regards
T
Fraud and petty crime!?!? Clearly you're a nutter. Back on thread now, are you fit? :lol:
 
#17
A mate of mine did time in Colly about 40 years ago for smacking his superior officer, a gobby Sgt. My mate went up the ladder and retired as a WO.
 
#18
I found that being pulled out mid-tour in S.Armagh to go up in front of the boss and getting 21 days with the Black Watch at Ballykinler to be a 'straightening up' experience.

I'd carried some bad habits into the army.......(those things that go inside teabags), got into trouble and not exactly the best start to a career!

Marched in, 21 days, back of a CPV van, up to Ballykinler and made the first mistake of calling the provo full screw 'Bombardier' (I was Arty). Highlights of the stay included the first day on rest after they beasted us to the Med Centre for our detention...heart rate too high, blood pressure up etc etc. Next day we were walked back to the Med Centre, passed as fit for detention and then beasted the long way back around camp to make up for our rest day!

Also had the pleasure of rolling over 100 45 gallon drums of fuel from one side of the footy pitch to the other, kining them all up parade style and then rolling them all back again.

There was another guy in from my unit at the same time and although we got it easier than the BW guys, it was a hard 21 days. That sorted me out and I knuckled down hard for the rest of the tour which was recognised in my end of tour report (AFB2066).

I left the rails slightly a few years later taking 10 days holiday without permission, got some time inside but the guys knew my boss was a complete cnut and the couple of weeks in Regt nick wasn't as bad.

The guy who I tea leafed from in the first deviation eventually caught up with me (as I knew he would) and gave me a few good smacks to the head with all his mates around him. I left him get his punches in, I deserved it, but there was no way I was going to kick off whilst it was 6:1.

I'm still ashamed of what I did, but theres sweet f a that I can do to change whats happened. Time inside taught me a few things about myself, other people and life in general that I still keep in the back of my mind today.
 
#19
LBdr_Pigshagger said:
Any former Military criminals on here? :wink:


The closest I came to the place was as an RP on a prisoner escort, (And boy, what kind of c*nt do you have to be to join the Provost Staff Corps?) but anyone I ever met that had done any time there, seemed to fly up the ranks if they knuckled down, did their time and returned to duty when it was over.

Thoughts?
Same here.
Mugging's here got shafted to take a bloke from our Sqn down from Kinloss who's just been done for drug abuse (I'm talking around 86/87 here)& was kicked out on release.
The was me,MT driver,a snowdrop & prisoner. And because of the driver rules...Rate ones with an overnight stop in Carlisle. (God,that place is a sh1thole!)
 
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