mcm div brief

Discussion in 'Royal Signals' started by daveh855, Jun 16, 2007.

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  1. during a recent mcm div roadshow i sat through. i noticed there was nothing for combat trades and whats happening to them. every question that got brought up ref mergin ov trades they brushed it off with some lame excusse did anyone else notice this and can anyone one shed some light on whats happening :x
  2. What trade in particular?
  3. which combat trades are you talking about?

    and what was their lame excuse?
  4. Basically, at my brief they talked about the CS trade, Tech and IT conversion, YofS, FofS, IS Sup and how competitive the RD roster is.

    Pushing towards everybody TRYING supervisoury roles before going RD.

    That was basically it, untill prompted with questions about support trades.
  5. Welcome to the Royal Signals!!

    At least the roadshows have improved... They used to consist of 150 powerpoint slides of Techs and Operators, FofS/YofS then Lineys Mechs and Ed`s used to share 1 slide.. I kid you not!.

    The only career advice for these trades was the usual... look ahead career profile RD roster etc (which in fairness is true). Their hands are tied by TDT, there is only one place to go so learn how to press the right buttons in the right order at the right time ;P

    However when you look at the orbat of our beloved Corps you will see it is all about Techs and Operators as they make up 95%. The rest while important is not mainstream Signals capability, accept it or cry yourself to sleep, your choice.

    Just a shame that TDT are making an ARRSE of the trade reorg as usual. IS into SET etc what a mistake. Leave the SET/FoS combine the IS with Inst Tech to make a 2 phase tradesman (networks and protocol) and pool the Liney with ED.

    As for Clerk of Works LOL dont get me started on that abortion.
  6. Supposed trade restructuring is ED's with Mechs' and Lineys with Stackers, but its not going to happen before the Tech/IS amalgamation.
  7. Doesn't it depend upon what the SET is supposed to be? The arguments all revolve around the supposed loss of traditional technician skillsets and I think that the aim is to re-role the tech as a Network Engineer, probably concentrating on wide area networking and system optimisation. If the SET is considered a network engineer rather than the person to fix any kit anywhere then perhaps it fits between the Inst Tech and the IS Engr? Ultimately, it's too late now anyway, as the change is going to happen.

    I feel however, that roles and responsibilities follow a cyclical pattern and we will probably find ourselves in 10 years or less breaking down the trades into more specialised types. C'est la vie.
  8. Back to the original topic .. I am sure it was mcm that briefed last year about the new trades and supervisors eg

    Inst Tech & E.D. have a COW/(S)(C)IDA Supervisor

    Lineys & Storeman go SQMS eg

    This year they did not even mention these supervisors and just said they knew nothing!

    The only info divulged was that the new IS and SET merged trade would be CS Engr - very original - and they knew nothing about Sup IS and FofS Merger!
  9. You have to remember this is not decided or driven by MCM. They can only brief what they themselves have been briefed on and I doubt they want to go into the realms of "ifs and maybes".

    An IDA WO2 is a bit of a red herring. In reality anyone can do the course and then preach IDA. The skill is not so much technical (although this helps massively) the skill is being able to interpret the JSP and the relevent BSEN/ISO standards (often resulting in blood on the carpet due to using a personal interpretation). As for enforcement well thats another rib tickler!

    Yes we could make a "projects" supervisory with SSgt planners pooled at 10SR (as is the case now) and then have a number of SSgt and WO2 IDA slots around the Divs and Bdes.... Oh but then we already do, they either are Techs or civvies (and guess what they dont get high band pay!). So why re-invent a wheel especially for a trade that does not have any legs in the long term apart from expeditionary Ops.

    Hell I just went off topic.... Sorry Smoking!!
  10. True - this is all done by TDT but the MCM guys preached it one year then denied all knowledge next year!!

    As for IDA rep - all to familiar with the job M8. Just quoting what they said before. They are probably thinking that the people that install the cables would be best suited to manage the installation teams (although currently done by mainly FofS and Techs - not forgetting the odd Mech SSgt still in trade or the Mech God) ** That rules you out NOW **
  11. they always put a downer on the guys that didn't want to go YofS or FofS and have left it late to do the RD courses
  12. that's because there are no combat trades in the royal signals so why would they mention them
  14. I believe the reason given when prompted at 7 sigs one was that they hadn't decided what to do yet.

    seems fair enough
  15. What I got told at mine was it was going to happen but the CS trade and Tech/IS trades took priority.

    So no change there then..........