Max Hastings on Brown and HFH

#1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2236496,00.html

Until a few months ago, it seemed unlikely that the mistreatment of defence would cost votes. The government could therefore afford to shrug off its critics. Now, however, there are many indications that the public has awoken to what is going on - or rather not going on - and dislikes it. The shoddy treatment of casualties, above all, has focused attention on the soulless, often apparently mindless, conduct of the MoD. Now that the prime minister is fighting for his political life, he may find it prudent to offer a little Help For Heroes himself, instead of leaving it all to Bryn Parry.
 
#2
Some of the comments on the article are absolutely superb too. You know - the "they all had the opportunity to do something else, they were just unlucky" type of Guff that your average lentil muncher trots out from the safety of their commune.

Tossers.
 
#3
Brown's out at the next election and he knows it.

I wish the Queen would force parliament to call an election. She has the power and would be popular for it IMHO.

TB
 
#4
TopBadger said:
Brown's out at the next election and he knows it.

I wish the Queen would force parliament to call an election. She has the power and would be popular for it IMHO.

TB
If there were a worth alternative, I'm sure she would. Trouble is, the opposition are almost as bad.
 
#5
RFUK said:
TopBadger said:
Brown's out at the next election and he knows it.

I wish the Queen would force parliament to call an election. She has the power and would be popular for it IMHO.

TB
If there were a worth alternative, I'm sure she would. Trouble is, the opposition are almost as bad.
Can the Queen call for a military coup in lieu of an election?
 
#6
Bat_Crab said:
RFUK said:
TopBadger said:
Brown's out at the next election and he knows it.

I wish the Queen would force parliament to call an election. She has the power and would be popular for it IMHO.

TB
If there were a worth alternative, I'm sure she would. Trouble is, the opposition are almost as bad.
Can the Queen call for a military coup in lieu of an election?
I'm afraid she can't, doesnt like to be seen to be political etc. I had an interesting chat along the lines of a coup while at a birthday bash on Saturday night. It seems that we might have quite a bit of support, so far we have been promised a black 1985 S class Merc and a 12 bore. That should do it! Whose up for it?
 
#7
HMQ doesn't have to call for a coup. Process for installation of military government is:

1. HMQ summons Broon to palace.
2. HMQ sacks Brown
3. HMQ invites CDS to fom a government, hinting that it should contain CDS plus five others (CGS, 1SL, CAS, Duke of Edinburgh as Foreign Sec plus Clarkson for entertainment purposes).
4. CDS takes up resident in No.10. HMQ broadcasts to nation

"One has installed ACM Stirrup as Prime Minister since one thought Mr Brown's governmint had turned into what my husband descibes as a shower of er, er.... (DoE from off camera) - Shi1te, Liz, sh1te>... well, there one is. One also felt that Mr Cameron lacks substance and one is unable to recall whom one invites to be PM from amongst the Liberal Democrats. Good evening. God bless you all."

5. Broadcast ends; GOC London begins process of mass arrests of MPs.

Bit controversial, but technically entirely constitutional. Well, almost.
 
#8
The practical difficulty with mounting a coup is that all the soldiers in London are Guardsmen. At H Hour they would still be arguing about the order of dress, sorting themselves into 3 ranks and getting the dressing.
 

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#9
Archimedes said:
HMQ doesn't have to call for a coup. Process for installation of military government is:

1. HMQ summons Broon to palace.
2. HMQ sacks Brown
3. HMQ invites CDS to fom a government, hinting that it should contain CDS plus five others (CGS, 1SL, CAS, Duke of Edinburgh as Foreign Sec plus Clarkson for entertainment purposes).
4. CDS takes up resident in No.10. HMQ broadcasts to nation

"One has installed ACM Stirrup as Prime Minister since one thought Mr Brown's governmint had turned into what my husband descibes as a shower of er, er.... (DoE from off camera) - Shi1te, Liz, sh1te>... well, there one is. One also felt that Mr Cameron lacks substance and one is unable to recall who one invites to be PM from amongst the Liberal Democrats. Good evening. God bless you all."

5. Broadcast ends; GOC London begins process of mass arrests of MPs.

Bit controversial, but technically entirely constitutional. Well, almost.
I'd vote for her, if one could of course.
 
#10
Archimedes said:
HMQ doesn't have to call for a coup. Process for installation of military government is:

1. HMQ summons Broon to palace.
2. HMQ sacks Brown
3. HMQ invites CDS to fom a government, hinting that it should contain CDS plus five others (CGS, 1SL, CAS, Duke of Edinburgh as Foreign Sec plus Clarkson for entertainment purposes).
4. CDS takes up resident in No.10. HMQ broadcasts to nation

"One has installed ACM Stirrup as Prime Minister since one thought Mr Brown's governmint had turned into what my husband descibes as a shower of er, er.... (DoE from off camera) - Shi1te, Liz, sh1te>... well, there one is. One also felt that Mr Cameron lacks substance and one is unable to recall who one invites to be PM from amongst the Liberal Democrats. Good evening. God bless you all."

5. Broadcast ends; GOC London begins process of mass arrests of MPs.

Bit controversial, but technically entirely constitutional. Well, almost.

A great idea but do you really think sticking a crab at the top is the best thing*?

I'm suprised seeings how you're a sidways walker, Archi. You do realise that his 'support staff' will be crab blunties? 8O

I'd much prefer to see Field Marshal Rt Hon the Lord Inge placed in the position. Mad fcuker. He used to shoot his ADCs you know.

*Certainly better than the non elected, charisma vortex we have at present.
 
#11
Archimedes said:
HMQ doesn't have to call for a coup. Process for installation of military government is:

1. HMQ summons Broon to palace.
2. HMQ sacks Brown
3. HMQ invites CDS to fom a government, hinting that it should contain CDS plus five others (CGS, 1SL, CAS, Duke of Edinburgh as Foreign Sec plus Clarkson for entertainment purposes).
4. CDS takes up resident in No.10. HMQ broadcasts to nation

"One has installed ACM Stirrup as Prime Minister since one thought Mr Brown's governmint had turned into what my husband descibes as a shower of er, er.... (DoE from off camera) - Shi1te, Liz, sh1te>... well, there one is. One also felt that Mr Cameron lacks substance and one is unable to recall whom one invites to be PM from amongst the Liberal Democrats. Good evening. God bless you all."

5. Broadcast ends; GOC London begins process of mass arrests of MPs.

Bit controversial, but technically entirely constitutional. Well, almost.
I think the GOC would need to get in at 2a, to be technically constitutional, with a bit of persuading from the RAF Police to encourage our MPs to offer their support to CDS in his new role. With the modern lot, they shouldn't even have to hit them too hard, a bit of parade type shouting would probably do the trick. The tumbrils can come in the morning.

CDS would also have to be ennobled, of course, before accepting Her Majesty's invitation, as we couldn't arrange even a rotten borough (Brent?) in the time available.

Edited for mongly missing out a negative and to brazenly crawl and say I agree with Flashy.
 
#13
Idrach said:
CDS would also have to be enobled, of course, before accepting Her Majesty's invitation, as we couldn't arrange even a rotten borough (Brent?) in the time available.
Dunny-on-the-Wold naturally. Population: three rather mangy cows, a dachshund named `Colin', and a small hen in its late forties.
 
#14
Idrach said:
Archimedes said:
HMQ doesn't have to call for a coup. Process for installation of military government is:

1. HMQ summons Broon to palace.
2. HMQ sacks Brown
3. HMQ invites CDS to fom a government, hinting that it should contain CDS plus five others (CGS, 1SL, CAS, Duke of Edinburgh as Foreign Sec plus Clarkson for entertainment purposes).
4. CDS takes up resident in No.10. HMQ broadcasts to nation

"One has installed ACM Stirrup as Prime Minister since one thought Mr Brown's governmint had turned into what my husband descibes as a shower of er, er.... (DoE from off camera) - Shi1te, Liz, sh1te>... well, there one is. One also felt that Mr Cameron lacks substance and one is unable to recall whom one invites to be PM from amongst the Liberal Democrats. Good evening. God bless you all."

5. Broadcast ends; GOC London begins process of mass arrests of MPs.

Bit controversial, but technically entirely constitutional. Well, almost.
I think the GOC would need to get in at 2a, to be technically constitutional, with a bit of persuading from the RAF Police to encourage our MPs to offer their support to CDS in his new role. With the modern lot, they should even have to hit them too hard, a bit of parade type shouting would probably do the trick. The tumbrils can come in the morning.

CDS would also have to be enobled, of course, before accepting Her Majesty's invitation, as we couldn't arrange even a rotten borough (Brent?) in the time available.
No need to waste the ermine - Gerald Howarth would surely stand down and allow CDS to step in as MP for Aldershot...a shoe-in I suspect, once a few WIMIKs had patrolled the town centre?
 
#15
The-Lord-Flasheart said:
Archimedes said:
HMQ doesn't have to call for a coup. Process for installation of military government is:

1. HMQ summons Broon to palace.
2. HMQ sacks Brown
3. HMQ invites CDS to fom a government, hinting that it should contain CDS plus five others (CGS, 1SL, CAS, Duke of Edinburgh as Foreign Sec plus Clarkson for entertainment purposes).
4. CDS takes up resident in No.10. HMQ broadcasts to nation

"One has installed ACM Stirrup as Prime Minister since one thought Mr Brown's governmint had turned into what my husband descibes as a shower of er, er.... (DoE from off camera) - Shi1te, Liz, sh1te>... well, there one is. One also felt that Mr Cameron lacks substance and one is unable to recall who one invites to be PM from amongst the Liberal Democrats. Good evening. God bless you all."

5. Broadcast ends; GOC London begins process of mass arrests of MPs.

Bit controversial, but technically entirely constitutional. Well, almost.

A great idea but do you really think sticking a crab at the top is the best thing*?

I'm suprised seeings how you're a sidways walker, Archi. You do realise that his 'support staff' will be crab blunties? 8O

I'd much prefer to see Field Marshal Rt Hon the Lord Inge placed in the position. Mad fcuker. He used to shoot his ADCs you know.

*Certainly better than the non elected, charisma vortex we have at present.
My bold - worse than that, they'd all be aircrew and thus incompetent at anything other than flying.

I'm up for Inge taking the top job, maybe we could dissolve the commons altogether, install Liz as absolute monarch and let the Lords run the country (proper Lords that is, not your ex-politicians or party donators).
 
#16
Cuddles said:
No need to waste the ermine - Gerald Howarth would surely stand down and allow CDS to step in as MP for Aldershot...a shoe-in I suspect, once a few WIMIKs had patrolled the town centre?
I was just worried about the delay - trying to find where we had put the Manor of Northstead or the Balifric (sp?) of the Chiltern Hundreds, then rounding up the voters - remember we are trying to keep this "technically constitutional". If we weren't then ...
 
#18
Dunny-on-the-Wold naturally. Population: three rather mangy cows, a dachshund named `Colin', and a small hen in its late forties.
No people then Flashy?Apart from Colin?
 
#19
Cpt_Darling said:
Dunny-on-the-Wold naturally. Population: three rather mangy cows, a dachshund named `Colin', and a small hen in its late forties.
No people then Flashy?Apart from Colin?
WAH - and the voter isn't the Professor of Cunning ...
 
#20
Flashy, I suppose I should point out that I wasn't necessarily advocating the current incumbent of the position of CDS for PM; I took Sir Jock's name in vain as he's in situ at the moment.

The idea of Lord Inge appeals greatly - I'd love to see how the other G8 leaders managed to cope at his first meeting with them....

For keeping it technically legit - HMQ chooses the two MPs she likes least, and appoints them to an office of profit under the crown - Steward and Bailiff of the Three Hundreds of Chiltern, or as Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead. This disbars them instantly as MPs.

After, oooh, about five minutes, she then sacks these two, and appoints two more, continuing in the same vein until all current MPs have gone because they are ineligible to remain as members of the House (bar, possibly Boris Johnson, those who have served in the forces [someone will have to arrange for an unfortunate accident to befall Eric Joyce by this point, of course] and the MP I know from my college days (good bloke, honest, self-effacing, believes in things like duty, honour, service, etc, etc - so how the hell he's an MP is quite beyond me).

Strictly speaking, HMQ should let the Chancellor of the Exchequer make the appointments/dismissals, so Lord Inge would need to appoint to this postition first. Wholesale MP removal could be completed in about three days, I'd reckon.
 

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