MATTS from CMSR

#1
I have been informed by our SSM that the MATTs training done on our CMSR will not count towards our MATTs total. I know other units have been allowed to qualify for their bounty for their first year by completing their recruits carda. Due to the time of year, the amount of MATTs weekends left, and how many weekends I missed by going on my CMSR, I dont see myself qualifying this year.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?

And before you start, I know we aren't in it for the money, but it would be nice, wouldn't it?
 
#2
Back when it was all ITDs, they didn't count towards bounty qualification. Or at least mine didn't. Not that I'm bitter...
 
#3
Guess it depends when you did your CMSR. I have had to re-do mine for this bounty year.
 
#4
Bounty Qualification and MATTs is now somewhat complex for Recruits, as dependent on what stage of Training you are in at depends on the level you need to achieve. Simply its my belief that if you complete Phase 1A, B and C training in year you qualify!
 
#6
I may be wrong, but like Ex says the first year of training in your recruits qualifies you for bounty as long as you have passed the criteria, regardless of unit.

I thought it was closer to £400 first year??
 
#9
However, in the true style of TA paperwork, ill bet that 9 times out of 10 the ATR don't communicate this back to the unit in question, and therefore Recruit Sproggysprog ends up out of pocket.

Besides, you should still be going on MATT weekends anyway to maintain fitness and skills. Otherwise, you're getting dangerously close to the job description of a bounty hunter.
 
#10
Praetorian said:
Besides, you should still be going on MATT weekends anyway to maintain fitness and skills. Otherwise, you're getting dangerously close to the job description of a bounty hunter.
Do me a favour :roll:

msr
 
#11
Looking further into this have you completed your trade traning ?

Are you a trained soldier or just a recruit.

I have a feeling that you must have completed phase 2 to qualify for bounty in the first year? or at least attended 16 days continuous training.

If your feeling really up for it the TA regs are on Army net it explains it all in there :?
 
#13
I still go to MATTs weekends, but they seem to want to only complete the same 3 or 4 subjects over and over. I cant seem to get on a CFT for the life of me.

I have passed my CMSR and have my trade training in Jan (as long as the paperwork is cleared by then). Does this have something to do with it?
 
#14
SavageByName said:
I still go to MATTs weekends, but they seem to want to only complete the same 3 or 4 subjects over and over. I cant seem to get on a CFT for the life of me.
CFT's can be tricky for some units to get organised (some lack the PTI's, or anywhere suitable locally to carry one out).. however you've still got a while before the bounty cut off. If this is the only stumbling block then I'd talk to your unit and enquire whether there will be a CFT run that you'd be able to attend. I'd put money on many in your unit not having completed this one yet.

When I completed my CMSR etc (few years ago now), the CFT carried out there did qualify me for bounty, however with the jump to 6 miles I'm not sure whether this increased distance is done during basic. You can possibly enlighten me on this yourself?

J
 
#15
I did a 4 miler I think, we werent told but it didnt feel like much.

We have a PTI who is always up for a CFT, but our schedules always seem to clash. Apparently there will be 2 more MATTs weekends before the cuttoff, and I am on trade training for one of them. Better hope I can make the other!
 
#16
Isn't it a case of ATRs/CMS(R) Train the recruit to become a soldier imparting all the intial knowledge, whereas MATTs are for the TRAINED soldier?
 
#18
FF thats technically correct but during the recruit phase, they complete MATTS as part of the training package, then a trainined soldier does them every year to allow himself to qualify for bounty

Some ones telling porkies somewhere.

If you've done MATTS in the current training year and HAVE PROOF!!!! (Very improtant, your CMSR course should provide this in theory) then they go towards the CO's certificate.

You then have to do your annual commitment 26-29 days forget now which it is, of this 15 days have to be out of camp, ie course.

If you CMSR was a consolidated 15 -16 day then you've qualified.
 
#19
No porkies, my SSM said the actual words "your CMSR will not count towards your MATTs and therefore you will have to do your MATTs aswell to qualify for bounty"

So I take it that we are the only unit that applies to. I have completed all of my MATTs in form of CMSR part A, B, and the 15 days block of part C.

But I still have to attend the weekends that it looks like I cannot, and somehow need to go back in time to weekends that I missed due to doing the same thing on my CMSR!!!

Starting to annoy me now
 
#20
Savage,

I can understand the frustration.. If it was me personally, I'd probably look at missing that weekend of trade training and get your CFT in. Any unit worth its salt would understand this and try and accommodate you. I've been on trade courses where people (myself included) have disappeared for a morning or whatever to get a MATT sorted. Yes, this isn't great if the two bits of training are nowhere near each other, but for the sake of 300 quid, i'd be on the CFT.

It's also not just 300 quid.. it's the fact that next year, you'd only qualify for your first year bounty, not second etc etc etc. (repeat until you hit year 5!)

You could also ask your unit if you can tag onto another unit's CFT.. Maybe you have another local regt doing matt training a weekend you can make?

J
 

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