MATTs are c**p

Are MATTs crap


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#22
Gosh, this sounds like a question for the resident Journo, Nick Owen. He is into Army stuff.
 
#23
Dale the snail said:
Gosh, this sounds like a question for the resident Journo, Nick Owen. He is into Army stuff.
Wondered how long before you got in on this :wink:
 
#24
engee said:
ITD5 should be continued. A new policy for recognition training is being formulated and will be used from 01 April 2007.
I wondered how long it would take you to start talking shite.
 
#25
New MATTs are no better than the ITDs that preceeded them and have only generated an enourmous paperchase! Where is an infantry company supposed to store the last FIVE years of MATT results, especially when each person that passes their MATTs produces about fifteen sheets of paper. Anybody else want to generate some more worthless rubbish that is going to get in the way of useful training!
Hang on I haven't finished yet. The Mapreading package is terrible and must be re-written to make lessons, (at present I have sacked it and teach from MAPRIC lesson plans instead!) MATT 6 should be one lesson.
God there are some real cheeses on here! Anyone would think that it is hard to complete this training. It is the base standard nothing else. Stop moaning and get on with it or hand in your piss stained mattress.
 
#29
WhiteHorse said:
wee_face said:
AFV recognition was replaced by mapreading and navigation.
True, but where do we get instructors from? 18 month waiting list for the course!
I know this doesn't help but the number of MAPRICs required in a unit has not changed and so if there are none available in your unit it will be because your unit didn't get people qualified previously.
 
#30
I think the most important point brought up was the physical amount of paperwork produced - it's horrendous. In this day and age, with everything on computers, surely some tracking system would be better. Call me old fashioned, but surely this is exactly the kind of thing that UNICOM is meant to record.
 
#31
engee said:
ITD5 should be continued. A new policy for recognition training is being formulated and will be used from 01 April 2007.
Info is from the All Arms Recognition Cell, RSA Larkhill.
 
#32
FOM6 said:
WhiteHorse said:
wee_face said:
AFV recognition was replaced by mapreading and navigation.
True, but where do we get instructors from? 18 month waiting list for the course!
I know this doesn't help but the number of MAPRICs required in a unit has not changed and so if there are none available in your unit it will be because your unit didn't get people qualified previously.
Unless they are deployed of course! Or have since left :roll:
 
#33
FluffyBunny said:
To save my tired old eyes reading it through, how many hours should it be taking to teach and test each MATT.

Is about 1 day per MATT plus a qtr day for MATT 6 about right?
It all depends what level you are at.

Level 1- 4 days

Level 2- 2 days

Level 3- 3/4 of a day

All of these timings may have to be increased dependent on the standard of those under instruction.
 
#35
FOM6 said:
FluffyBunny said:
To save my tired old eyes reading it through, how many hours should it be taking to teach and test each MATT.

Is about 1 day per MATT plus a qtr day for MATT 6 about right?
It all depends what level you are at.

Level 1- 4 days

Level 2- 2 days

Level 3- 3/4 of a day

All of these timings may have to be increased dependent on the standard of those under instruction.
Thanks FOM. So for the bulk of the TA, who are at level 2, assuming they are trained soldiers, that's about 10 days of the 27 allocated.

That's quite a big proportion of the training budget expended each year.

If you're a specialist unit with 19 MTDs, more than half your time is spent doing MATTs each year?

Can someone confirm the above is substantially correct?
 
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#36
badger-sporran said:
Is this just the TA whinging again or are some of the above contributors regular serving? :x

Goku wrote
"My point is that if you’re the type who is going to cheat, thieve, take drugs, shagg your mates wife… a lesson/test once a year isn’t going to change that.
However if you can’t tell a landrover from a challenger 2 then a yearly test/lesson might just be what you need. "

Obviously hasn't passed his MATT 6 because if he had he would of known that it's all about doing "the right thing" and not ending up with your arse in court because someone has sent a video to the 'SCUM' newspaper of you lining a local up against the wall etc etc etc

As was said by Devilish

"The MATTS system is based on levels of readyness, that is why there are 3 levels. And as for values and standards, the "SOLID C" is what the British Army is, it seperates us from the rest of the shiites out there, so of course it is important and I think you will find that it is a whole package with LOAC included, something that is important in this day and age."

Well Done Goku go to the top of the class again !
No I haven’t passed MATT6 yet, it’s the only one we haven’t done yet, but I’ve read the .pdf and I’m not impressed (thanks for including the answers to the test :roll: )

Yes it’s an important subject but there is no way that you are going to be able to teach the morally bankrupt right from wrong in a once yearly lecture/test.

I’m sure you can beast decency into a reg, you’re there full time and can be “educated” full time if that’s what it takes, but due to the nature of the TA that’s just not possible.

MATT6 isn’t going to solve an individuals problems, there is no training value in the subject and the time would be better spent concentrating on achievable subjects.

Top of the class for you badger, was this one your idea? :wink:
 
#37
Sorry Goku
It was absolutely nothing to do with me. I still stand by Devillish's earlier comment - perhaps you shouldn't be excepting the morally bankrupt in the first place.
 
#39
I hear the team that produced the brilliant MATT and WIP package are currently surveying how its been received. Does it fit the bill?, Does it improve standards of common military skills?, Does it improve/enhance operational capability?, Whats good/bad about it?, Is there anything uneccessary in it?, Should anything be added?, Should anything be removed? and how often i.e. at what interval (if at all) should it be done?
If you haven't been involved by receiving an official questionnaire then feel free to vent through this means I like Goku know they look at this. Constructive comments would probably be best after all it may effect the way you train in the future! :D
 

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