MATT 5 Training Path

#1
Hi All

Is anyone aware of the training path for TA instructors for MATT 5 (Navigation)?

Most of the other MATTs require conversion trg to update instructors fm ITD to MATT but, as Navigation is a 'new' subject, I can't imagine there can be a conversion course.
 
#2
According to the MATT documentation on the army website you need a qualified MAPRIC instructor which I believe is your standard 2 week TA instructor course
 
#3
From the website:

The instructor delivering the training must be qualified in Defence Instructional Techniques (DIT) or equivalent. MATT 5 training may be delivered by a competant map reader, selected and guided by a qualified MAPRIC trained instructor
MAPRIC (Map Reading Instructors Course) is a 2 week course run by the School of Military Survey.
 
#4
Where are the courses run, wouldn't going for it. Surely it can't be a 2 week course don't we have a shorter version run by Bde Training teams, I doubt the 2 week course would teach me much that helps deliver MATT5
 
#5
The course used to be run at the School of Military Survey (Royal Engineers) near Thatcham. I don't think the course has changed much over the years. They don't teach you how to teach or how to map read. They teach how to be enthusiastic about teaching map reading and test you on your own abilities. It's a two week course for regulars, TA and cadet instructors.
 
#6
Thatcham? I think you need to attend the course ;)

msr
 
#7
Our MAPRIC enthuses about the course. Don't know how good his map reading is though!

Seriously polar - if you fancy it go for it. Every sub unit is going to need more spec course trained personnel to run MATT training and testing. MATT 1 requires 2 SAA instructors (2 week course), MATT 2 a PTI (2 week course), MATT 4 a CBRN instructor (2 week course). Only MATT 3 can be taught and tested unsupervised by an instructor trained by RTC on weekend courses.

msr - I think you'll find RSMS is at Denison Barracks, Hermitage, Thatcham, BERKs
 
#9
Apologies - I got as far as reading that training needed to be supervised by a MAPRIC.

As the posters say though, if you get enough people in your company/sqdn qualled up then you can ensure that your guys' MATTS are up to date and the bounties keep rolling in. Keeps everyone happy! :D
 
#10
Blyth_spirit said:
Seriously polar - if you fancy it go for it. Every sub unit is going to need more spec course trained personnel to run MATT training and testing. MATT 1 requires 2 SAA instructors (2 week course), MATT 2 a PTI (2 week course), MATT 4 a CBRN instructor (2 week course). Only MATT 3 can be taught and tested unsupervised by an instructor trained by RTC on weekend courses.
And how long is it going to take to get people on all these courses?

And Hermitage isn't near Thatcham when you live in Chieveley ;)

http://www.multimap.com/map/browse....=true&zm=0&scale=100000&down.x=366&down.y=425

msr
 
#11
msr said:
And how long is it going to take to get people on all these courses?

msr
Can't be too long with a good plan. If you aimed to send 2 NCOs a year off to get qualled on something then within 2 years you would have:
PTI
CBRN (this may take a little longer as they have to get asst. first)
SAA
MAPRIC
(with guys doing BCDT on the weekends between exercises)

And after all, every one likes to be an expert in something...

Not saying that it would be easy, but if you play the game of 'one course for the sqn, one for you'....
 
#12
Purple_Emperor said:
msr said:
And how long is it going to take to get people on all these courses?

msr
Can't be too long with a good plan. If you aimed to send 2 NCOs a year off to get qualled on something then within 2 years you would have:
PTI
CBRN (this may take a little longer as they have to get asst. first)
SAA
MAPRIC
(with guys doing BCDT on the weekends between exercises)

And after all, every one likes to be an expert in something...

Not saying that it would be easy, but if you play the game of 'one course for the sqn, one for you'....
Do they have to be NCOs?
 
#14
Cymru_am_Byth said:
Do they have to be NCOs?
Ptes can complete DITs but most of these instructional courses require students to be officers or substantive LCpls. I have seen OCdts accepted for some courses but they should concentrate all their efforts on getting a pip* on their shoulder before diverging into other specializations.

Yes it will take some time and it is a rolling programme. All NCOs should be looking at dedicating one annual camp to gaining a spec qualification of this sort, unless of course they can do both, at a suitable point in their career path.

*Sorry, Bath Star!
 
#15
Purple_Emperor said:
msr said:
And how long is it going to take to get people on all these courses?

msr
Can't be too long with a good plan. If you aimed to send 2 NCOs a year off to get qualled on something then within 2 years you would have:
...
Which rather makes a mockery of introducing MATTS prior to 2008.

msr
 
#16
msr said:
Purple_Emperor said:
msr said:
And how long is it going to take to get people on all these courses?

msr
Can't be too long with a good plan. If you aimed to send 2 NCOs a year off to get qualled on something then within 2 years you would have:
...
Which rather makes a mockery of introducing MATTS prior to 2008.

msr
The instructional qualifications/numbers per unit for every MATT bar MATT 5 Navigation, are the same as what was required under the ITD(A)s (see DCI 1) and so there really shouldnt be an issue in the first place if your unit is properly managed. I would say that the ITD(A)s needed changing before 2008 as they were pants, at least now we have more guidance and are pretty much provided with everything.
 
#17
FOM6 said:
msr said:
Purple_Emperor said:
msr said:
And how long is it going to take to get people on all these courses?

msr[/quote/]
Can't be too long with a good plan. If you aimed to send 2 NCOs a year off to get qualled on something then within 2 years you would have:
...
Which rather makes a mockery of introducing MATTS prior to 2008.

msr
The instructional qualifications/numbers per unit for every MATT bar MATT 5 Navigation, are the same as what was required under the ITD(A)s (see DCI 1) and so there really shouldnt be an issue in the first place if your unit is properly managed. I would say that the ITD(A)s needed changing before 2008 as they were pants, at least now we have more guidance and are pretty much provided with everything.
FOM6, I agree. However, the instructors should be already be qualified in the units before MATTs came in. MATT 5 - each unit should have MAPRIC instructors anyway, same as ITDs. So why should anything change?

So go on, obviously, they weren't doing the ITDs properly in the first place.

BTW, yes ITDs were pants. Bloody good job someone realised they had to change.
 

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