Mata Hari of British Palestine

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  1. On 58th Independence Day, Israel

    According to legend, as the British forces evacuated, leaving Arabs and Jews to fight over Palestine, they deliberately left behind three tanks for the Zionist forces on the orders of General Hugh Stockwell, who had become a late convert to their cause after a stormy love affair with the beautiful Jewish wife of a junior officer. British Officers in Palestine were mostly unsympathetic to the Zionist cause. One such was General Hugh Stockwell commander of the Haifa area in 1947-8, who later commanded the Allied ground forces in the Suez invasion of 1956.

    This was probably the only case in which sex affected the course of Israel's history.

  2. This is a most interesting post and one that reflects a current, and in my view regrettable, trend.

    Consider this: Was Judith Ward, who blew up an army bus on the M62, killing 11 including 2 children a Mata Hari? What about the woman who lured three young RHF soldiers to their deaths in Belfast in the 1970’s? Surely what they were doing was OK because they were fighting for a cause they believed in? Anyway, if it’s a woman that makes it somehow more glamorous.

    Let’s take a reality check here. Glamorous? If you believe that the end justifies the means then they are. However, if you believe that conflict must be conducted within the rule of civilian law or the law of armed conflict then they are nothing but terrorists.

    In Palestine, the Irgun/Palmach/Hagenah/Stern Gang were surely terrorists, not freedom fighters. This is a difficult and emotive area given the Holocaust had only ended months before. However, a look at some of the means makes the end difficult to justify and we, as service personnel should remember that many of our comrades lost their lives.

    91 people were killed when the King David Hotel was bombed in an attack ordered by David Ben Gurion and Menachem Begin, both future Prime Ministers. Another 12 were killed at Jerusalem railway station. Here, the bombs were planted by ‘the girl in red’ one Sima Fleischaker-Hoizman. (Another glamorous Mata Hari?). 7, mostly unarmed, British soldiers were murdered at the 6th Airborne Division Transport Depot and another 13 by a bomb at the Goldsmith Officers’ Club. Finally, we should not forget Field Security Sergeants Martin and Paice who were kidnapped, tortured and hanged like common criminals. When the bodies were discovered, an officer was severely wounded by a booby trap as he tried to cut them down. Indeed, British soldiers continued to be murdered even after the start of the British withdrawal in what was a nasty, vicious campaign that few Brits, after six years of war, had the stomach for.

    You could argue that General Stockwell betrayed his men with his liaison, no matter whether he believed in her cause or not. Whatever his views, he was expected to obey the lawful commands of a democratically elected government. If he didn’t like it, he should have resigned. There is a parallel with Iraq here, in that while our officers might not believe in the cause they are there legally and owe it to their soldiers to do their best.

    So let’s not get all misty-eyed over these Mata Haris. Most were just plain terrorists.
  3. I don't think the three tanks story is true. I read that these fvirst Israeli AFVs (Cromwell tanks) were stiolen from a tank park and hidden in the basement of half finished buildings, which were then completed overnight. What are the other three?

    And further more re Zionist terrorists the Irgun gang based its tactics on the IRA and used terorism during the war against the Germans. First by driving the muslims from the mixed religioun "Palestine Brigade" and then by assassimnating Lord Moyne in Cairo. The Irgun were co-beligerant with the nazis.
  4. Zionists who tried to establish contact with the Nazis did so with only one intention: to rescue Jewish lives from Nazi occupied Europe. Stern group was a tiny fringe organiation (500 members at most), which hoped it could make a deal with the Nazis to save Europe's Jews by getting them to Palestine. As the 'final solution' was not adopted by the Nazis until 1942, they were not behaving wholly irrationally.

    Compare that with the open admiration and support given to Hitler by the Arab Nationalists of the day, particularly the Mufti of Jerusalem, who spent most of the war in Berlin. The Mufti collaborated with the Nazis when the 'final solution' was in progress and used whatever influence he had to stop Jews escaping from the gas chambers.

    On killing the the Lord Moyne:

    In 1975, an interview with Nathan Yallin-Mor, one of the three leaders of Lehi (the Stern Gang). On the assassinated Lord Moyne in 1943 (Moyne was the British High Commissioner for the Middle East). Yallin-Mor said that during World War II the British refused to allow Jews fleeing the Nazi Holocaust to go to Palestine. This policy led to such tragic incidents as the steamship Sturma, which, after being refused permission to land its several hundred Jewish refugees in Palestine, was then sunk by a German U-boat off the coast of Turkey; only one person survived. Yallin-Mor stated that because of censorship, the plight of these Jewish refugees was not receiving any publicity, that this policy would be "forced into the open" by the coverage of the death of a prominent British official.

    Lord Moyne accused to be an anti-Semite by the Jews of Palestine, after making an 'anti-semitic and anti-Zionist' speech in the House of Lord in June 1942

    He talked than "of the purity of the Arab race and denigrated the attempts of the mixed Jewish race to establish control over Palestine" . He claimed that the Hebrew people was nothing more than "a haphazard mixture of races," while the Arab tribes represented people of pure Semitic stock and that, therefore, the Hebrew people had no claim whatsoever to the Land of Israel.

    Yet this was not about simple revenge: killing Moyne was, to use the phrase of the Russian anarchists, 'propaganda by deed'. The youthful assassinations were Eliyahu Hakim and Eliyahu Bet Zouri.

    But what justified his fate in the eyes of the Sternists was the tragedy of the Struma, a leaky steam ship that had been packed with 769 visa -less Jewish refugees fleeing the Nazis when it arrived at Istanbul in mid-December 1941. The Turkish authorities refused to let the passengers land and the British refused them visas to Palestine. Britain did agree eventually to take the children, but the boat put to sea and sank in February 1942, with only one survivor. Moyne had been Colonial Secretary at the time. Moyne asserted his prime rationale for turning back every Jewish refugee was "preventing the influx of Nazi agents under the cloak of refugees." although not one instance was ever found.

    Despite relatively approving the Sephardim on his racist speech. The lead member of the the hit-team was the Sepharadi Beirut-born dark-skinned, Arabic-speaking Eliyahu Hakim

    Eliyahu Hakim's speech at his trial:


    My comrade and I were brought up in the spirit of the Bible which says: Thou shalt not kill. But there were no other means available by which we could assert our rights which had been trampled on, so we decided to act and our cause was supremely just. We now have to answer the accusation of conspiracy to kill Lord Moyne., We accuse Lord Moyne and the Government he represented, of the murder of hundreds and thousands of our brothers and sisters. We accuse him of robbing us of our homeland and looting our possessions. Is there any law by which they could be tried for their crimes? Is there any forum to which we could turn for justice? No such law exists as yet, so we had no option but to see that justice was done ourselves.

    The two Eliyahu were sentenced to death, and on March 23, 1945 were hanged in Cairo.

    British Foreign Office files on the Moyne affair were opened in the Public Record Office in the mid-1970s, but much of the above - without the benefit of the original documents - was recounted in 1963 in a remarkable book, The Deed, whose history, in a way, has become part of the Moyne story itself. Gerold Frank, its author, had covered the Cairo trial for American news magazines and had taken a leading role in reconstructing the defiant speeches from the dock when note-taking was forbidden in the courtroom. 'I was fascinated and moved by their story, by the moral dilemma it posed, by the struggle between means and ends,' he reflected later. 'These two boys, belonging to a people with such a tragic history as victims of violence, turning to violence. They - their lives - how they were tried, how they defied the world, how they were sentenced and how they went to their deaths, all made an extraordinary story.'

    Yaffa Greenberg, one of the Stern Group members says 'Naturally when you're a 19-year-old girl the idea of killing a man is hard,'.'But don't forget we were at war. The British had closed the gates to our land and our people were dying. When you see so much death - it touches you. Not only do I have a clear conscience - now that I know that the British and Americans didn't bomb Auschwitz, I feel even more angry.

  5. Interesting to read an Israeli justifying terrorism....

  6. Jorge Garvia Granados, a leading figure in the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine
    (UNSCOP), on this issue


    He referred to this incident

    From "The UN Report Prepared in 1948 for Ralphe Bunche, New UN Commissioner to Palestine" on Jewish terrorism as reported by the British Authorities:
    Those three "terrorists" didn't kill anyone, had fought in the Czech underground during the war on behalf of the SOE. Their hanging referred by Sumner Welles (1892 – 1961), Under Secretary of State in US, as murder.


    on July 29 1947 the British authorities in Palestine executed the three condemned Irgun prisoners . The executions did not receive much attention in the British media. The Irgun’s claim the following day, however, to have revenged the execution of their men by hanging
    sergeants Martin and Paice certainly did capture the media’s attention.
  7. Mora,

    I think you have missed what the three Zionist terrorists actiually did.

    They ambushed and fired on a Palestinian school bus with a Bren gun. They may not have killed any of them, and they were incompetent enough to be caught. However their intent was murderous and would have been given no mercy under similar cicumstances today.

    You have also missed the end to the Un investigations aboutg the Biritsh hanging. These concluded that the British had behaved properly and legally in trying and executing these men. Despite the Zionist spin on the stoiry the exhibition in the old Jail at Acco makes this same point. There was a vigourous attampt made by Zionist lobbyists to prosecute the British over this matter. The case was found for the British.

    Exactly which pro israel lobby group do you work for?
  8. No, its not the case, you may refer to that case

    Shlomo Ben-Yosef, the first Jew to be hanged by the British Authority.


    In his study of the revolt Bowyer Bell provides an account of the situation.

    Terror Out of Zion by J. Bowyer Bell p.40-41

  9. Well mora, you certainlly know how to win friends and influence people. You criticise the British for fighting terrorism and describe the IRA as 'revolutionaries'...All in a British Army website. Who's a clever boy then!
  10. Milan commemorating the 61st anniversary of Italy's liberation from fascism

    With the outbreak of World War II, a push began to set up a Jewish Brigade on the side of the Allies. The President of the World Zionist Organization Chaim Weizmann offered the British government full cooperation of the Jewish community in British Mandate of Palestine and tried to negotiate the establishment of identifiably Jewish fighting unit (under a Jewish flag) under the auspices of British Army. His request was rejected, but many Palestinian Jews joined the British army, some in Jewish companies. Fifteen Palestinian Jewish battalions were incorporated into the British Army in September 1940 and fought in Greece in 1941.

  11. So, you're saying you don't agree with it then? So why include it??
    .........Who are you working for?
  12. Who are you?
  13. I recognise the picture in the signature - I've seen it before at I don't know if that helps to explain anything about this user though.
  14. I've just found this insert from a site of John W Donaldson - The 6th Airborne Division

    He apparently refers to Kibbutz Yad Mordechai ( or Kibbutz Negba)

    Yad Mordechai is named in honor of Mordechai Anielewicz, a leader of the socialist-Zionist movement Hashomer Hatzair (The Young Guard) in prewar Poland. After the Nazi conquest of Poland, he became a leader of the Jewish resistance, organizing underground activities and ultimately becoming the commander of the Jewish Fighting Organization in the Warsaw Ghetto. He died during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943, at the age of 24.

    Four days after Israel's declaration of independence on May 15, 1948, Yad Mordechai was attacked by an Egyptian armored column. The book entitled "Six days at Yad Mordechai" tells the story of how in May 1948 only a few days after Israel had declared independence around 100 kibbutzniks - held off the Egyptian advance by up to 10,000 regular troops with armour and air-support for six key days until they were forced to abandon the kibbutz. They brought Israel valuable time for her regular army to organise defensive positions and in time a counter attack that would change the tide of war in due course. An epic tale or Israel's Alamo if you like.

    As P.J. O'Rourke wrote in The Atlantic:

    In the early days it was the Czechs who supplied the Israeli's with arms, and the British who armed the Arabs, including General Glubb Pasha and about 200 British Officers who led the Jordanian Arab Legion who organised the siege of Jerusalem and forced the Jewish evacuation of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City in East Jerusalem. In the first air dogfights of that War the Israeli's piloted captured Messersmidt against British supplied Egyptian spitfires.

    Without the Russians involvement the modern state of Israel would not have come into existence!

    Of course, today Israel is seen as a protege of the United States, but for the infant United Nations could clear the way for Israel’s creation was a possibility that existed only briefly, as it did in 1948, for Soviet Russia’s goodwill - and it must be remembered it permitted Czechoslovakia to send arms to Israel when it was invaded by Arab armies - would not survive the onset of the Cold War.

    In fact, the US was far from enthusiastic about the creation of Israel as an independent nation in what was then the British mandate of Palestine. The State Department made its opposition clear even before the end of the Second World War, when Zionist groups were already active. Important US newspapers and periodicals at the time, especially in 1947 and 1948, reveal clear hostility to the idea of a Jewish home in Palestine. The US believed that such a state would act as a vehicle for left-wing ideas in a region dominated by feudal regimes which would be easier to control, and with it its considerable natural resources, particularly oil.

    The Americans deeply distrusted the socialist aspirations of the founding fathers of Israel, and voted in favour of the partition plan proposed by the United Nations only after President Harry Truman, for personal and political reasons, instructed the US delegation to the UN to do so.

    In the war that followed, Israel defeated the armies of Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and Syria thanks to the military aid provided by the countries of Eastern Europe, not the US. Indeed, the Soviet Union was one of the first countries to recognise the new Jewish state.

    Remarks of Soviet Ambassador in the UN Partition Debate on Palestine
    May 14, 1947
  15. Good spot 'Crabtobe'. The Samizdata crew have kindly described themselves...''The Samizdata people are a bunch of sinister and heavily armed globalist illuminati who seek to infect the entire world with the values of personal liberty and several property....We are also a varied group made up of social individualists, libertarians, extropians, futurists, 'Porcupines', Karl Popper fetishists, recovering neo-conservatives, crazed Ayn Rand worshipers, over-caffeinated Virginia Postrel devotees, witty Frédéric Bastiat wannabes, cypherpunks, minarchists, kritarchists and wild-eyed anarcho-capitalists from Britain, North America, Australia and Europe.''

    So certainly not pseudo-intellectual posers then......!
    I can just imagine them tapping away in their Bed-sits, churning out their fanatical, semi-articulate ramblings while waiting to be recognised as great thinkers..........