"Massacre" by Brit troops in 1948 being investigated

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#2
Murder is murder whether it happened yesterday or in 1948. If you were a victim or a relative of a victim would you not want justice?

This kind of think besmirches the reputation of the British Army trying to cover it up or pretend it did not happen besmirches the reputation of the country.

We, rightly, expect the Japanese to be apologetic for the activities of their army during the Second War. If people acting on our behalf have committed murder then it should be properly investigated and if it happened then we should be prepared to acknowledge it apologies and make reparations.
 
#4
BuggerAll said:
Murder is murder whether it happened yesterday or in 1948. If you were a victim or a relative of a victim would you not want justice?
You are correct, however there have been two investigations that were inconclusive. It is dificult to see who 60 years later the evidence is going to be any clearer
 
#5
I think this is " smoke and mirrors" moment, things like this only come out when the government want to try and smear the military, I'm surprised the have not said it was a Gurkha unit
 
#6
This story has been doing the rounds in the press for a number of years now, I think it first surfaced in the 1960's from memory.
 
#7
Justice is a sort of two faced thing - depends on whether on is looking as a victim or as a defendant. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Trite statements I know but though harsh measures were adopted in the ulu, straight forward murder very unlikely in a group of men. Mai Lei notwithstanding.
 
#8
'This story has been doing the rounds in the press for a number of years now, I think it first surfaced in the 1960's from memory.'

True, I am old enough to remember when the story first surfaced (as you say, early '60s). The ex-Scots Guardsman who contacted the press freely admitted that 'he was in it for as much as he could screw out of it'. Bearing in that most of the battalion at that time would have been World War 2 veterans, and would probably have served in Burma and Malaya, it is unlikely that a massacre of this scale would have gone unnoticed.

Oddly enough, a few years ago, I did some work in Malaysia and this story is now part of local legend (the Malay Malays have no love for the British). However, the version that I heard had it that the victims were local Malays and not Chinese.
 
#9
Heard this story from my father, who served in Malaya, though much later than '48. By then it was an urban legand; the story went that the Scots Guards massacred the villagers and burned the village to the ground. The bodies were buried in a mass grave and even maps of the area were changed to wipe out all trace of the village.

My dad thought it was b0llocks even back then, and I'm inclined to believe him. Anyone remember the Scotland Yard investigation into "war crimes" committed by the Paras during the Falklands War? Waste of time and money... :roll:
 
#10
BuggerAll said:
Murder is murder whether it happened yesterday or in 1948. If you were a victim or a relative of a victim would you not want justice?

This kind of think besmirches the reputation of the British Army trying to cover it up or pretend it did not happen besmirches the reputation of the country.

We, rightly, expect the Japanese to be apologetic for the activities of their army during the Second War. If people acting on our behalf have committed murder then it should be properly investigated and if it happened then we should be prepared to acknowledge it apologies and make reparations.
Except this has already been investigated twice. So what is the plan - keep investigating until the right answer appears.

This will be another waste of taxpayers money but the PC Right-On Brigade will be happy. Maybe we should re-invetsigate the massive rapes committed by British Troops, including Gurkhas, in Kenya. I mean it's at least 3 years since they were investigated and maybe this time we can get a better answer.

Look at the Bloody Sunday fiasco!
 
#11
Call me "Mr Cynical" but does HMG have interests in securing contracts of a large finiancial type in that region of the world at the moment?

These things usually have a price attached to them somewhere and whilst much of the northern hemisphere is struggling with debt that particular region of the world is on the up! :roll:




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#12
I can remember this story (re)appearing around the time of the Mai Lai massacre in about 1968, it was almost like the British media needed it's very own massacre to keep up with the Yanks.
If there was that much truth in it I am sure something would have been done years ago.
I am unconvinced.
 
#13
Henry_Tombs said:
Call me "Mr Cynical" but does HMG have interests in securing contracts of a large finiancial type in that region of the world at the moment?

These things usually have a price attached to them somewhere and whilst much of the northern hemisphere is struggling with debt that particular region of the world is on the up! :roll:
Heh, my first thought as well.
Anyhow when are the bloody Romans going to apologise, it's not like they did anything for us...
 
#14
I thought the Sweeny investigated this in the 70s. I have it on DVD.
 
#15
Werewolf said:
Anyone remember the Scotland Yard investigation into "war crimes" committed by the Paras during the Falklands War? Waste of time and money... :roll:
Thats because everyone kept their mouths shut
 
#16
SickNorman said:
Werewolf said:
Anyone remember the Scotland Yard investigation into "war crimes" committed by the Paras during the Falklands War? Waste of time and money... :roll:
Thats because everyone kept their mouths shut
Really? Do you know that for a fact or did you meet a bloke in the Pub, who knew somebody whose cousin etc?
 
#17
SickNorman said:
Werewolf said:
Anyone remember the Scotland Yard investigation into "war crimes" committed by the Paras during the Falklands War? Waste of time and money... :roll:
Thats because everyone kept their mouths shut
If it was that simple, Plod would never arrest ANYONE. :roll:
 
#18
I don't think the fact that a murder case is being reinvestigated is the point. IIRC there is no statute of limitations on murder in the UK , so any unsolved murder can be re-examined.

What I would like to know is why this case is being reinvestigated. Is it because there is new evidence or is existing evidence being revisited in light of new technology (eg. DNA)? Or is it because there is a political motive behind this decision?
 
#19
Bonzo_Dog said:
I don't think the fact that a murder case is being reinvestigated is the point. IIRC there is no statute of limitations on murder in the UK , so any unsolved murder can be re-examined.

What I would like to know is why this case is being reinvestigated. Is it because there is new evidence or is existing evidence being revisited in light of new technology (eg. DNA)? Or is it because there is a political motive behind this decision?
Grief, closure to the case, mischief making, knowledge that any allegations made will be investigated (again) funded for by the UK taxpayers, lawyers on UK legal aid, compensation.

Take your pick.

Anybody pick up on the fact that anybody involved will be at least 78 years of age. Should make getting a positive PC result (i.e. we were all guilty as a nation and we should pay up, balance of probabilities etc, easier to pay than argue) a lot easier.
 
#20
OldRedCap said:
Justice is a sort of two faced thing - depends on whether on is looking as a victim or as a defendant. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Trite statements I know but though harsh measures were adopted in the ulu, straight forward murder very unlikely in a group of men. Mai Lei notwithstanding.
And I totally agree with you RedCap.
A lot of rumour mongering by the CT's in them there days.

What about the atrocities by the japs in Malaya, be it war time but never the less.

The Malay's as far as I'm concerned looked favourably upon the Brits, well in fact all commonwealth personnel.
They have now recognised this be it partially by a thank you with the PJM.

Anyway, what next?
Will Japan demand compensation from the allies for families killed by the bomb?
 

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