Mass Shootings in the US

Highly apposite, many families of the victims and their lawyers have just walked out of the Royal Commission into the NS mass shooting.

'That's not acceptable': Families of N.S. shooting victims, lawyers boycott inquiry in protest

"It's total bullshit"

For those not aware, the Premier of NS resigned shortly after failing to prevent a Royal Commission from happening. Pure coincidence, I'm sure. Now the appointees are trying to make sure it's the usual whitewash, but if the victims' families walk out, that's a fail too.
 
You are born with the rights that your government allows you.
You get the rights you force your government to grant you.

Much more effective, and far less confrontational, is simply to get the government, any government, to leave you alone.
 
Brave Sir Justin !



When danger legal protest raised its head,
He bravely turned his tail decided one of his kids might have Covid and fled...
Then invoked the War Powers act and didn't use it,
then rescinded it immediately when the Senate looked like they'd question it...
Brave, brave, brave Sir Justin!
 
Then the Canadian Constitution is what?

It said nothing about rights from 1867 to 1982. The Constitution Act of 1982 says that rights and freedoms are subject to reasonable limits as prescribed by law and can be demonstrated as reasonable in a democratic society. Is that what you are referring to?
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Rights are a mental construct. They are what people have agreed they are. They don't exist outside of that.
 
Brave Sir Justin !



When danger legal protest raised its head,
He bravely turned his tail decided one of his kids might have Covid and fled...
Then invoked the War Powers act and didn't use it,
then rescinded it immediately when the Senate looked like they'd question it...
Brave, brave, brave Sir Justin!

Well done chaps. An absolute masterclass in deflection.
 
It said nothing about rights from 1867 to 1982. The Constitution Act of 1982 says that rights and freedoms are subject to reasonable limits as prescribed by law and can be demonstrated as reasonable in a democratic society. Is that what you are referring to?


Rights are a mental construct. They are what people have agreed they are. They don't exist outside of that.
Your rights are a legal construct, protected by government( well not in your case). If they were a mental construct I could write them down a on a piece of double ply and ignore them. If we are using your example of “people” agreeing to them we can get a few members of this forum to come up with the Terminal Bill of Rights which you would be subject to.
 
Well done chaps. An absolute masterclass in deflection.
Go Leafs Go !!!
Gone Leafs Gone !!!

FTFY ;)

So anyway, Bob and Doug turn up at the Gates of Hell,
and Beelzebub waves them in with a "Where're you guys from?"
"We're from Canada, eh?"
So, Beelzebub decides to start them off in the Volcano Room.
The rocks are practically molten in there.
When Beelzebub checks back a few hours later, the boys aren't screaming at all. They are just chatting.
Bob has taken his toque off.
"This is nice, eh? Warmer than Canada!"
Beelzebub has a couple of devils shove them into the Inferno Room.
A few hours later, Beelzebub returns to find Doug has taken his toque off too. They both still have hoodies on.
"Warming up, eh? Nearly summer!"
Beelzebub eases off for a quiet word with The Boss.
"Try the opposite", says Satan.
Beelzebub turns off the heating, and finds a technician to turn on the never-before-used air con, full blast.
After a few minutes, the window in the door is frosted over.
Beelzebub leaves them for a few hours.
When he goes in, there are icicles everywhere, and Bob and Doug are jumping up and down and hugging each each other
"Trying to share bodywarmth...Eh? We finally got you guys suffering!" says Beelzebub.
"No, you got it all wrong", says Doug. "We're totally happy! You see, Hell has frozen over.......





...so the Leafs must have won the Stanley Cup !!!"
 
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Not for class three mate. If any place has Class three parts then they will be registered with the ATF and anything they sell, a copy of the sales receipt and a copy of the buyers class three permit goes to the ATF.

Hate to argue with you but, legally buyable with no paperwork. There is a slight difference between a civvy semi auto upper and a milspec/LEO upper that precludes a full-auto trigger pack fitting in standard configuration. If you are a cartel Sicario; 15 minutes with a dremel, or a hacksaw and file and the full-auto trigger pack will fit a civvy upper....then just change the bolt group and away you go.

Just the same way you, or I could go and buy full-auto spec bolt group, bolt, or barrel for an UZI, or AK. All the pieces to build a full-auto UZI are available - supply chain allowing, bit dodgy at the moment. It is up to the individual to make sure that they adhere to the letter of the law by only assembling their box of UZI parts as a semi-auto UZI.

Even buying that lower in the link you posted, still going to need an ATF class three permit to buy it.

There is no such thing as a Class 3 permit for civvy shooters. As a civvy shooter you either have your tax stamp from the ATF, or you don't. The various Class 3 permits are for dealers, and manufacturers, they are commercial use licences only.
 
We are born with our natural rights. They are not granted by my fellow citizens.
The ban crowd does not control enough States to do anything through Congress.
So you would prefer society to deal with the folks like Ramos the old school way?
Your natural "rights" extend to breathing, eating, drinking and sleeping. If they are infringed or denied you then your natural right is to die.

You alleged right to bear arms is a legal permission set down by whoever was in charge at the time. Every state and federal law is the same thing, put in place by whoever was in charge. The constitution etc are documents which set out a set of laws decided by man and implemented by man. End of.

Society should deal with it's transgresser any way society pleases, but society sets laws for that hence my previous comment about accountability for stepping over the line. Society can also deal with the likes of Ramos in other ways, by not letting it get to a state where he breaks the law, pre-hazard mitigation to reduce the likelihood of the hazard occuring rather then post-hazard mitigation to reduce the severity of the hazard. In this case the "hazard" was Ramos deciding that expending ammunition was the best way to go.

You can police your fellow citizens by setting a good example of behaviour, engaging in conversation and resolving differences through peaceful means, bit difficult to do if you are toting a sidearm and express a willingness to use it!
 
Hate to argue with you but, legally buyable with no paperwork. There is a slight difference between a civvy semi auto upper and a milspec/LEO upper that precludes a full-auto trigger pack fitting in standard configuration. If you are a cartel Sicario; 15 minutes with a dremel, or a hacksaw and file and the full-auto trigger pack will fit a civvy upper....then just change the bolt group and away you go.

Then the rules have changed since I left LE. Above was the way it was done, in fact at the time every full auto trigger had to be numbered as well.

I have not and never disputed that criminals could turn a a semi auto to full auto, I merely pointed out that even just trying to do so is a Federal offence.

Just the same way you, or I could go and buy full-auto spec bolt group, bolt, or barrel for an UZI, or AK. All the pieces to build a full-auto UZI are available - supply chain allowing, bit dodgy at the moment. It is up to the individual to make sure that they adhere to the letter of the law by only assembling their box of UZI parts as a semi-auto UZI.

The parts may be there to buy but certain parts will still be class III and require a tax stamp.

My use of the word "permit" instead of tax stamp was used for what I thought would be simpler to understand for some of the non US based posters who may not know what the tax stamp thing is all about.
 
Is that the 4Chan one that is proven to be false? Although that didn't stop Congressman Paul Gosar from tweeting that the shooting was committed by a “transsexual leftist illegal alien"

Evidently so

 
The concept of God Given rights is yet again lost on you. But I guess from your attitude , only Government grants rights and those can be taken away at a whim if need be.

Which is why the polarization will never cease.
Can all gods grant rights or just yours?
 
Highly apposite, many families of the victims and their lawyers have just walked out of the Royal Commission into the NS mass shooting.

'That's not acceptable': Families of N.S. shooting victims, lawyers boycott inquiry in protest

"It's total bullshit"

For those not aware, the Premier of NS resigned shortly after failing to prevent a Royal Commission from happening. Pure coincidence, I'm sure. Now the appointees are trying to make sure it's the usual whitewash, but if the victims' families walk out, that's a fail too.
They tried to prosecute his first victim, didn't they, his repeat domestic violence victim who managed to escape being burned alive by hiding in the woods before he started his killing spree.

I looked it up on Canada's CBC News, an outlet with Warnings on every page that the reader's feelings may be hurt.

The language here is the same as that appearing in 'progressive anti-bullying processes' in schools, ie, treat immature mind's no differently from fully developed one's, policies that then blame the victim's subsequent self-harming as being the parent's fault.

Nova Scotia:
Barbara Miller Nix, executive director of the Community Justice Society, which oversees restorative justice referrals in Halifax, couldn't comment on the case. However, she said generally the goal of restorative justice is to help people see things from each other's perspectives, and the exact approach is adapted depending on the individuals involved.

"We look at understanding the harm that has been created and what the needs are, and it allows us to work with the person or persons who have created harm, as well as those who have been harmed," she said.

For some, she said, that means a virtual or face-to-face meeting with the people who hurt them. People can also submit written statements.

"The basis of our program is about relationships, and we do a lot of in-person work and we allow space for the voices in the situation to be heard," said Miller Nix. It's not unusual for someone who caused harm to also be a victim, so they work with other community supports, like social workers, to ensure all parties are supported, she said.

Why is it the Miller Nix's always decline offers to spend working days with the police where they can attend domestic violence calls and have a roll around and a serious spank from a violent bully-who-is-a-victim?
 
Is that the 4Chan one that is proven to be false? Although that didn't stop Congressman Paul Gosar from tweeting that the shooting was committed by a “transsexual leftist illegal alien"

Evidently so

Unfortunately, 'Fact Checkers' are about as reliable as a DIY condom, but yes, Gosar is a tw@t.
 

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