Mass Shootings in the US

Definition of treason using the American Merriam-Webster Dictionary
"The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance, or to kill personally injure the sovereign or the sovereigns family."


Of 521 people arrested for Err... Attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance...
All were obviously guilty of treason in its absolute sense.

The fact that the State has chosen not to make martyrs out of moronic trailer park trash, gullible halfwits, deluded madmen and wannabe Mad Max warlords of a White Redoubt bantustan doesn't make them less treasonous.

It just means that the State views them as simply not worth pursuing or promoting.

The fact that the vast majority of the traitors are white doesn't make me a racist.
It makes me someone who can look at the abundant video and say:
"Look, I can see a bunch of rednecks and crackers committing treason"! .
There you go using a racially offensive term again. It must be wonderful to be a member of the BLM in the UK and never held to account .
 
Missing the point again, or more accurately desperate to make the point you think helps you. Do you hang around a lot of politicians?
You said it was copied Verbatim it was not, were the documents influential yes. How much more plain speaking does one need to be with you?
 
You didn’t say the Constitution was copied off your system?
I said your Constitutional Republic was copied from our Constitutional Monarchy - hence the two houses and the fact that UK case law sets precedents for US case law before the War of Independence.

I did not say it was "copied verbatim" - a word you had to add to try and pretend you were not wrong.

Do they teach you nothing?
 
I said your Constitutional Republic was copied from our Constitutional Monarchy - hence the two houses and the fact that UK case law sets precedents for US case law before the War of Independence.

I did not say it was "copied verbatim" - a word you had to add to try and pretend you were not wrong.

Do they teach you nothing?
And I said it was influenced by the old system, is that so hard to comprehend?

Our system was then Americanized to suit our needs.
There are some differences between the two that are key.

The Bill of Rights focuses exclusively on individual freedoms and how to protect them from abuses by government.

The English Bill of rights focused on issues of authority between the monarch and parliament.
 
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Definition of treason using the American Merriam-Webster Dictionary
"The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance, or to kill personally injure the sovereign or the sovereigns family."


Of 521 people arrested for Err... Attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance...
All were obviously guilty of treason in its absolute sense.

The fact that the State has chosen not to make martyrs out of moronic trailer park trash, gullible halfwits, deluded madmen and wannabe Mad Max warlords of a White Redoubt bantustan doesn't make them less treasonous.

It just means that the State views them as simply not worth pursuing or promoting.

The fact that the vast majority of the traitors are white doesn't make me a racist.
It makes me someone who can look at the abundant video and say:
"Look, I can see a bunch of rednecks and crackers committing treason"! .

Again. no one has been charged with treason which means in the eyes of the law, no treasonous acts were committed. Anything else is only in your mind or is nothing more than your opinion which over here, no one gives a feck about.
 
I said your Constitutional Republic was copied from our Constitutional Monarchy - hence the two houses and the fact that UK case law sets precedents for US case law before the War of Independence.

I did not say it was "copied verbatim" - a word you had to add to try and pretend you were not wrong.

Do they teach you nothing?
The structure of the American government is based on the British colonial government system. That consisted of a governor who ran the colony with the aid of a cabinet that he selected from whomever he wanted, and a separate legislature who were intended as a check on the governor and a platform from which grievances could be vented. This structure was duplicated at the federal level, with the addition of the senate (who were appointed, not elected by the people by the way). Existing governmental structures were preserved to the extent possible, rather than replaced with new ones. I have detailed this in a post on another thread somewhere.

Canada, Australia, and New Zealand (I'm less familiar with other colonies) had the same until the mid 19th century when "responsible government" (Westminster style parliament) replaced it in response to the 1837 rebellion in Canada (we'll gloss over that bit of history). Confederation in Canada and Australia then later naturally duplicated that at that their respective federal levels. To be clear, the current system of government in Australia and New Zealand was instituted as a direct response to events in Canada.

The fundamental problem with the original colonial system was seen as the separation between the governor (and his cabinet) and the legislature resulted in the government (the governor) being seen as disconnected from the electorate and tone deaf to their concerns. This was inherent to the system.

The "responsible" in "responsible government" refers to there being simple, clear, and direct lines of responsibility (accountability) from the PM and cabinet to parliament then thence to the electorate. This was perceived as ensuring the government (PM and cabinet) were less able to ignore the concerns of the electorate because they had to answer directly to parliament on a daily basis rather than just to the electorate whenever elections were due.

The details of the constitution, written or unwritten, are probably less important than the structure, traditions, and expectations of the institutions. Some sort of written constitution though is inherent to a federal system as there has to be something which defines how the areas of responsibility are divided up between the federal and provincial (state) governments.

A written constitution though does not necessarily cover the rights of individuals. The British North America Act defined Canada's constitution in 1867, but the Canadian Bill of Rights wasn't instituted until 1960 (and was replaced by the Charter of Rights in 1982). Up until then the rights and freedoms of Canadians were those defined by those handed down by English law, with the Bill (and later Charter) of Rights simply being more of a tidying up exercise rather than instituting anything fundamentally new.

So fundamentally, the system of government in the US is the original colonial government with the minimal changes necessary to take into account the US becoming independent. There has been some evolutionary change since then, such the US president becoming elected rather than a mixed system of indirect election and appointment by the states, depending upon the state (which is why the electoral college exists), and senators being elected rather than appointed by the states.

The Americans have had little appetite for fundamental change or reform of their government institutions, their changes being limited to tweaking around the edges, adding referendums, making more posts directly elected, etc.

Then again, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand didn't really reform themselves either. They got told to change by London following a report by Lord Durham on his investigation into the 1837 rebellion.
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
SOURCE: More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend

'We're basically going through puberty in comparison to other countries' time line'

In America’s other pandemic, the dying never stops.

At least 150 people were killed on the long Independence Day weekendin more than 400 shooting incidents, as violence that coincided with the reopening of major cities intensifies. The data, collected by CNN reporters and the Gun Violence Archive, covers the 72-hour period from Friday through Sunday, and the terrible toll of America’s birthday weekend is almost certain to rise.

In separate incidents this weekend, a golf pro was shot dead on a green at his country club in Georgia.

Eight people were wounded after an argument sparked a shooting at a car wash in Texas.

Two people died in a park in Cincinnati, Ohio.


No place is off limits – there have been shootings at grocery stores and at workplaces. Since the year began, more than 22,500 Americans have died in violent gun incidents, including 10,000 from homicides and 12,000 from suicides, the Gun Violence Archive says.

This is not just the summer of liberation from Covid-19. It’s also the summer of gun violence.

Generally, US crime rates have fallen in recent years — and cities like New York are far safer than they were in the 1980s, for instance. But fears of the bad old days are beginning to come back.

So far this year, gun violence in Gotham has surged 40% over the same period in 2020, with 767 shootings and 885 victims.

And 2020 itself was a bad year.

What unleashed this outburst of horror? The pandemic’s economic and human toll has destabilized communities and increased criminal activity in some areas. There’s also talk that months of lockdown may have spiked mental health issues and pent-up rage that all too easily spills into violence on the streets.

Every explanation is exacerbated by the fact that the United States is awash in guns.

Firearms sales spiked during the pandemic and are now at record levels — so much so, there’s an ammunition shortage.

President Joe Biden has pleaded with lawmakers to do something, anything, to stop the shootings. But nothing is getting done.

Lawmakers can’t even agree on minor reforms expanding background checks for some gun purchases.

The right to bear arms is often seen as a foundational principle of US conservatism, so Republicans almost always block meaningful firearms controls – even if they are far from overturning that constitutional right.

In fact, many conservatives, who blame the spate of killings on Democrats defunding police budgets, argue that even more guns are needed so that more Americans can protect themselves from one another.​

Sad stuff - America has so much to offer - and so much of which to be less than proud.
 

Mölders 1

War Hero
SOURCE:

'We're basically going through puberty in comparison to other countries' time line'


In America’s other pandemic, the dying never stops.

At least 150 people were killed on the long Independence Day weekend in more than 400 shooting incidents, as violence that coincided with the reopening of major cities intensifies. The data, collected by CNN reporters and the Gun Violence Archive, covers the 72-hour period from Friday through Sunday, and the terrible toll of America’s birthday weekend is almost certain to rise.

In separate incidents this weekend, a golf pro was shot dead on a green at his country club in Georgia.

Eight people were wounded after an argument sparked a shooting at a car wash in Texas.

Two people died in a park in Cincinnati, Ohio.


No place is off limits – there have been shootings at grocery stores and at workplaces. Since the year began, more than 22,500 Americans have died in violent gun incidents, including 10,000 from homicides and 12,000 from suicides, the Gun Violence Archive says.

This is not just the summer of liberation from Covid-19. It’s also the summer of gun violence.

Generally, US crime rates have fallen in recent years — and cities like New York are far safer than they were in the 1980s, for instance. But fears of the bad old days are beginning to come back.

So far this year, gun violence in Gotham has surged 40% over the same period in 2020, with 767 shootings and 885 victims. And 2020 itself was a bad year.

What unleashed this outburst of horror? The pandemic’s economic and human toll has destabilized communities and increased criminal activity in some areas. There’s also talk that months of lockdown may have spiked mental health issues and pent-up rage that all too easily spills into violence on the streets.

Every explanation is exacerbated by the fact that the United States is awash in guns.

Firearms sales spiked during the pandemic and are now at record levels — so much so, there’s an ammunition shortage.

President Joe Biden has pleaded with lawmakers to do something, anything, to stop the shootings. But nothing is getting done.

Lawmakers can’t even agree on minor reforms expanding background checks for some gun purchases.

The right to bear arms is often seen as a foundational principle of US conservatism, so Republicans almost always block meaningful firearms controls – even if they are far from overturning that constitutional right.

In fact, many conservatives, who blame the spate of killings on Democrats defunding police budgets, argue that even more guns are needed so that more Americans can protect themselves from one another.

Sad stuff - America has so much to offer - and so much of which to be less than proud.
They will NEVER learn so they cannot be helped.
 
I'm not sure that Mr McConaughey was specifically speaking about gun control when he made that quote with which you lead. However, I will certainly agree that the problems we have are exacerbated by firearms. Then again, if they ever fix the actual problems, firearms can't exacerbate them, can they?

It's worth noting that despite the fact that, as the article points out that conservatives are the group associated with firearms....
An estimated 23 percent of Democrats nationally lived in households with guns in 2018, according to the General Social Survey, which is conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago. And roughly 20 percent of gun owners — about 12 million people — identify as liberal, according to results from survey between 2014 and 2018. More than a third describe themselves as moderates while just under 45 percent call themselves conservatives.

the more recent figures are
In comparison, only 18 percent of Democrats owned at least one gun, and 31 percent lived a gun household

And the figure is going up.

Oh, and there is a very strong suspicion that now that SCOTUS is taking another 2A case, Court to take up major gun-rights case - SCOTUSblog a slew of gun control laws will be taken off the table. The only reason they didn't rule on the last one was that New York realised they didn't have a hope of saving the law in question in the court, and removed it themselves before the court did it for them. Meanwhile, on a related note in California...
Judge rules California's ban on assault weapons unconstitutional

Maybe the US legislatures need to tackle the root problems we have. Not only is it more likely to be legal and less likely to affect third parties, they will actually benefit many other issues we have as a society around here. Very difficult to have a positive press release about it in the four-year-election cycle though, it's going to take many years. Far easier just to pass yet another gun control law.
 
Definition of treason using the American Merriam-Webster Dictionary
"The offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance, or to kill personally injure the sovereign or the sovereigns family."


Of 521 people arrested for Err... Attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance...
All were obviously guilty of treason in its absolute sense.

The fact that the State has chosen not to make martyrs out of moronic trailer park trash, gullible halfwits, deluded madmen and wannabe Mad Max warlords of a White Redoubt bantustan doesn't make them less treasonous.

It just means that the State views them as simply not worth pursuing or promoting.

The fact that the vast majority of the traitors are white doesn't make me a racist.
It makes me someone who can look at the abundant video and say:
"Look, I can see a bunch of rednecks and crackers committing treason"! .
So no one charged, but they are still guilty bastards ? How Heydrich like of you Sieg Y'all

to Educate you on Treason under US Law please get an adult to read this to you

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason​


Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

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A Bit hard to Levy war when out of 10,000 +/- ''traitors''© only 2 brought guns
 
So no one charged, but they are still guilty bastards ? How Heydrich like of you Sieg Y'all

to Educate you on Treason under US Law please get an adult to read this to you

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason​


Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Sources-



A Bit hard to Levy war when out of 10,000 +/- ''traitors''© only 2 brought guns
Like I said to Sam.
Traitors de facto, not de jure.

They intended to overthrow the elected government, and install an unelected leader. In Ancient Greece, where we get the concept of Democracy (the rule of the Demos(the people)) a ruler who seized power without the consent of the electorate was a "tyrant".
The American Merriam Webster dictionary defines a tyrant as
1"a: an absolute ruler, unrestrained by law or convention.
b: a usurper of sovereignty".
2 a: a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressive or brutally.
b: One resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power".

There you are.
Any twelve year old with a dictionary could tell you that 1) the Capitol rioters were traitors and 2) they were attempting to topple democracy and install a tyrant.

Anyone with an IQ above that of a whelk or a Steamboat would agree that Trump's entire Presidency was tyrannical in aspiration, barely restrained by law or constitution, who exercised power oppressively and brutally.
Regaining power in defiance of a Democratic transfer of power would have been pure tyranny.

That is, by every common definition treason.
Hiding behind particular US Statute (de jure) does not alter the facts.
 
Like I said to Sam.
Traitors de facto, not de jure.

They intended to overthrow the elected government, and install an unelected leader. In Ancient Greece, where we get the concept of Democracy (the rule of the Demos(the people)) a ruler who seized power without the consent of the electorate was a "tyrant".
The American Merriam Webster dictionary defines a tyrant as
1"a: an absolute ruler, unrestrained by law or convention.
b: a usurper of sovereignty".
2 a: a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressive or brutally.
b: One resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power".

There you are.
Any twelve year old with a dictionary could tell you that 1) the Capitol rioters were traitors and 2) they were attempting to topple democracy and install a tyrant.

Anyone with an IQ above that of a whelk or a Steamboat would agree that Trump's entire Presidency was tyrannical in aspiration, barely restrained by law or constitution, who exercised power oppressively and brutally.
Regaining power in defiance of a Democratic transfer of power would have been pure tyranny.

That is, by every common definition treason.
Hiding behind particular US Statute (de jure) does not alter the facts.
I bet you’re pink today…
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SOURCE: More than 230 people fatally shot in shootings over the Fourth of July weekend

'We're basically going through puberty in comparison to other countries' time line'
In America’s other pandemic, the dying never stops.

At least 150 people were killed on the long Independence Day weekendin more than 400 shooting incidents, as violence that coincided with the reopening of major cities intensifies. The data, collected by CNN reporters and the Gun Violence Archive, covers the 72-hour period from Friday through Sunday, and the terrible toll of America’s birthday weekend is almost certain to rise.

In separate incidents this weekend, a golf pro was shot dead on a green at his country club in Georgia.

Eight people were wounded after an argument sparked a shooting at a car wash in Texas.

Two people died in a park in Cincinnati, Ohio.


No place is off limits – there have been shootings at grocery stores and at workplaces. Since the year began, more than 22,500 Americans have died in violent gun incidents, including 10,000 from homicides and 12,000 from suicides, the Gun Violence Archive says.

This is not just the summer of liberation from Covid-19. It’s also the summer of gun violence.

Generally, US crime rates have fallen in recent years — and cities like New York are far safer than they were in the 1980s, for instance. But fears of the bad old days are beginning to come back.

So far this year, gun violence in Gotham has surged 40% over the same period in 2020, with 767 shootings and 885 victims.

And 2020 itself was a bad year.

What unleashed this outburst of horror? The pandemic’s economic and human toll has destabilized communities and increased criminal activity in some areas. There’s also talk that months of lockdown may have spiked mental health issues and pent-up rage that all too easily spills into violence on the streets.

Every explanation is exacerbated by the fact that the United States is awash in guns.

Firearms sales spiked during the pandemic and are now at record levels — so much so, there’s an ammunition shortage.

President Joe Biden has pleaded with lawmakers to do something, anything, to stop the shootings. But nothing is getting done.

Lawmakers can’t even agree on minor reforms expanding background checks for some gun purchases.

The right to bear arms is often seen as a foundational principle of US conservatism, so Republicans almost always block meaningful firearms controls – even if they are far from overturning that constitutional right.

In fact, many conservatives, who blame the spate of killings on Democrats defunding police budgets, argue that even more guns are needed so that more Americans can protect themselves from one another.​

Sad stuff - America has so much to offer - and so much of which to be less than proud.
@Steamboat - how say you about the number of gun deaths during your country's independence celebrations?
 
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