Mass Shootings in the US

Bodenplatte

War Hero
Just yet more high velocity politeness, it's the American way.
London, last couple of days:-


 
London, last couple of days:-


Are more firearms being smuggled into the UK now?
 
Its called vibrancy and diversity now.
Please report to have your thinking realigned
I am a deplorable, so I am to thick to be "re-educated" It is best to leave me in some lowly populated state and forget I exist, until election time when my political representation is unfair to the high population states who don't like the obstacles to progress thrown in their path by people who shun their ideals. It is a hard life being the thorn.
 

goodoldboy

MIA
Book Reviewer
London, last couple of days:-


This isn't a pissing contest so what is your point?
 
Are more firearms being smuggled into the UK now?
No doubt but of course those who have a legally owned firearm, particularly if it requires a Firearms Certificate', is probably less than 1% of the whole population. Of course they are also predominately law abiding.

The disarming of the the civilian populace by Tony Blair forced many of us who owned legal shotguns pistols or rifles for field sports or target and practical shooting competitions, to be forced too surrender our weapons. Rather than address the failing in firearms licencing. Which was not a politically opportunist move at all. :roll:

Lauded by many who had little experience of the whys and wherefores of either country life and shooting for the pot or shooting as a sport but of course they would cheer for the 'unicorn' that not allowing private gun ownership increases the general safety of the wider public.

Any legitimate criticism of such legislation being labelled as being from potential baby killers and mental incompetents not to mention the hints at the various differing shooting communities as being of the "right".

The law of the land of course means nothing to criminals... :roll:
 
This isn't a pissing contest so what is your point?
The thread is about mass shootings and several mongs are posting every example of gun violence, suicide, accidents etc.
 
No doubt but of course those who have a legally owned firearm, particularly if it requires a Firearms Certificate', is probably less than 1% of the whole population. Of course they are also predominately law abiding.

The disarming of the the civilian populace by Tony Blair forced many of us who owned legal shotguns pistols or rifles for field sports or target and practical shooting competitions, to be forced too surrender our weapons. Rather than address the failing in firearms licencing. Which was not a politically opportunist move at all. :roll:

Lauded by many who had little experience of the whys and wherefores of either country life and shooting for the pot or shooting as a sport but of course they would cheer for the 'unicorn' that not allowing private gun ownership increases the general safety of the wider public.

Any legitimate criticism of such legislation being labelled as being from potential baby killers and mental incompetents not to mention the hints at the various differing shooting communities as being of the "right".

The law of the land of course means nothing to criminals... :roll:
Well the criminal element will always be present in society, regardless of the steps taken to make life a "utopia" for all. But the behold the come to Jesus moment thanks to BLM and Antifa and the thought of defending the police has energized many here to see the light.

So do you think the UK will get somewhere close to 20,000 more officers in light of the protests this summer? Or will the woke trend to be to cut budgets and make do with a rising crime rate. Because with fewer plod around the criminal element will thrive and continue to make the news.
 
Well the criminal element will always be present in society, regardless of the steps taken to make life a "utopia" for all. But the behold the come to Jesus moment thanks to BLM and Antifa and the thought of defending the police has energized many here to see the light.

So do you think the UK will get somewhere close to 20,000 more officers in light of the protests this summer? Or will the woke trend to be to cut budgets and make do with a rising crime rate. Because with fewer plod around the criminal element will thrive and continue to make the news.
I have no idea to be honest, at the moment much like for you guys across the pond, it may need to get worse before it gets better sadly.
 

goodoldboy

MIA
Book Reviewer
ONLY American examples allowed olde son
Not really chap. The thread started with mass shootings in the US and I'd like to think that, through discussion, it has become a place for mass shootings anywhere to be discussed. Then what happens? A small-minded dick comes along and, after careful research, includes a case in England where some bloke is shot. There's a difference between the threads when a bit of (fairly) good banter and irony is being bandied about between our nations, and the isolated bolleux where pure and infantile spite is displayed. It's down to the rest of us to tell someone to pull in their neck when the fine line has been crossed.
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
Not really chap. The thread started with mass shootings in the US and I'd like to think that, through discussion, it has become a place for mass shootings anywhere to be discussed. Then what happens? A small-minded dick comes along and, after careful research, includes a case in England where some bloke is shot. There's a difference between the threads when a bit of (fairly) good banter and irony is being bandied about between our nations, and the isolated bolleux where pure and infantile spite is displayed. It's down to the rest of us to tell someone to pull in their neck when the fine line has been crossed.
To be fair a smaller-minded dick came along first and, after careful research, included a case in the US where one bloke was shot in a drive-by.
 

ex_colonial

On ROPS
On ROPs
No doubt but of course those who have a legally owned firearm, particularly if it requires a Firearms Certificate', is probably less than 1% of the whole population. Of course they are also predominately law abiding.

The disarming of the the civilian populace by Tony Blair forced many of us who owned legal shotguns pistols or rifles for field sports or target and practical shooting competitions, to be forced too surrender our weapons. Rather than address the failing in firearms licencing. Which was not a politically opportunist move at all. :roll:

Lauded by many who had little experience of the whys and wherefores of either country life and shooting for the pot or shooting as a sport but of course they would cheer for the 'unicorn' that not allowing private gun ownership increases the general safety of the wider public.

Any legitimate criticism of such legislation being labelled as being from potential baby killers and mental incompetents not to mention the hints at the various differing shooting communities as being of the "right".

The law of the land of course means nothing to criminals... :roll:


My bold, if you exclude shotguns, probably less than a quarter of 1% ..
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snip "According to the most recent figures for England and Wales, there are 138,728 people certificated to hold firearms and they own 435,383 weapons. There are 574,946 shotgun certificates which cover 1.4 million shotguns.
Statistics for Scotland show that 70,839 firearms were held by 26,072 certificate holders at the end of last year. Some 50,000 people in Scotland are certificated to hold shotguns - and 137,768 weapons are covered by that scheme"
 
My bold, if you exclude shotguns, probably less than a quarter of 1% ..
.
snip "According to the most recent figures for England and Wales, there are 138,728 people certificated to hold firearms and they own 435,383 weapons. There are 574,946 shotgun certificates which cover 1.4 million shotguns.
Statistics for Scotland show that 70,839 firearms were held by 26,072 certificate holders at the end of last year. Some 50,000 people in Scotland are certificated to hold shotguns - and 137,768 weapons are covered by that scheme"
Typically the BBC equates firearms with weapons. Encyclopedia Britannica defines weapons thus: "Weapon, an instrument used in combat for the purpose of killing, injuring, or defeating an enemy."
 

Cutaway

LE
Kit Reviewer
Typically the BBC equates firearms with weapons. Encyclopedia Britannica defines weapons thus: "Weapon, an instrument used in combat for the purpose of killing, injuring, or defeating an enemy."
It's only a temporary title, given time and the licence fee they can change it to "facist equipment for murdering the peaceful."
 

ex_colonial

On ROPS
On ROPs
My bold, if you exclude shotguns, probably less than a quarter of 1% ..
.
snip "According to the most recent figures for England and Wales, there are 138,728 people certificated to hold firearms and they own 435,383 weapons. There are 574,946 shotgun certificates which cover 1.4 million shotguns.
Statistics for Scotland show that 70,839 firearms were held by 26,072 certificate holders at the end of last year. Some 50,000 people in Scotland are certificated to hold shotguns - and 137,768 weapons are covered by that scheme"


Its interesting to note that the estimated numbers of illegal firearms is much higher, I know its from the mirror Britain has 4m guns on streets – and 4,000 youngsters have shotgun licences
snip "A Mirror probe into firearms in the UK found there are 1.3million legal shotguns in England and Wales alone - and around 500,000 illegal guns"
And given that even the NCA Illegal firearms - National Crime Agency seized 893 guns/firearms as a result of NCA activity in 2017/18 . No one really knows the scale of the problem.
 
Its interesting to note that the estimated numbers of illegal firearms is much higher, I know its from the mirror Britain has 4m guns on streets – and 4,000 youngsters have shotgun licences
snip "A Mirror probe into firearms in the UK found there are 1.3million legal shotguns in England and Wales alone - and around 500,000 illegal guns"
And given that even the NCA Illegal firearms - National Crime Agency seized 893 guns/firearms as a result of NCA activity in 2017/18 . No one really knows the scale of the problem.
From that article:
"Referring to the Dunblane massacre in 1996, when Thomas Hamilton killed 16 schoolchildren and a teacher, forensic scientist Ann Kiernan said: “Following Dunblane a lot of handguns were deactivated, but not very well, so criminals managed to replace working parts easily.
“When that avenue was shut down they moved to imitation firearms, which could also be converted, but then this was clamped down on. So what we see a lot nowadays is the use of antique weapons in crimes.” "

So restriction and legislation works then?
 

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