Mass Shootings in the US

Although it sounds nice, looks good to the uneducated and makes great sound bites, there is no evidence whatsoever that stricter firearms controls have any effect on their criminal use.
I wonder how many people know that in Britain up till 1920 there was no firearms law worth mentioning. Anyone, village idiot or convicted criminal could buy anything. The police had few firearms. Back to the present, where very little in the way of firearms can be legally obtained, but the police have an impressive selections of weapons at their disposal. Why? If firearms legislation is so effective then the police would need no weapons at all.
 
I know it sometimes appears that way but in general I don’t think you are that dumb.
But Ted here is the reality I live in. ANYBODY can now be a first responder here. It matters not if you are actually being paid to do the job. If you happen to have the kit and are at the wrong place at the right time one has a choice to make. You can either rise up and engage in your civic duty and wait until the professionals take over, or you can ignore it and live with the consequences of not helping.
 
I wonder how many people know that in Britain up till 1920 there was no firearms law worth mentioning. Anyone, village idiot or convicted criminal could buy anything. The police had few firearms. Back to the present, where very little in the way of firearms can be legally obtained, but the police have an impressive selections of weapons at their disposal. Why? If firearms legislation is so effective then the police would need no weapons at all.
And why was it brought in? Not in fear of public safety, but in fear of a socialist revolution.
 
But fully automatic firearms are, you just need to live one one of the many states that allow them and pay the required tax stamp. I take it you have never spent any length of time living in the USA?
Nope, last time I was in the US was as a very young kid visiting Disney. I was under the impression to acquire a fully automatic weapon required several federal background checks, an 'enhanced' (for want of a better word) license and annual payments, plus a waiting period when buying said weapon. Then said weapons are limited to those originally purchased before 1980something and are consequently expensive.

Which was my point, they are not readily available. Compared to a semi-automatic rifle that can, allegedly, be picked up a few hundred dollars on a spur of the moment visit to a gun store in the majority of states or bought from an individual with no background checks at all. If that were the case for fully automatic weapons you probably would see more spree shootings using them.

On the contrary, I was suggesting that your opinion that it wasn't, was an attempt at a wind up. The hijackers achieved their aim by being armed with nothing more than box cutters. Which demonstrates that it is not the weapon that is used, but the intent and motivation of those using it.
So the actual deaths attributed to the box cutters were less than a dozen. The rest of the murders were committed using jumbo jets and thousands of gallons of kerosene.

In addition as it appears that the pump action shotgun used was in fact all ready banned by the Australian authorities,
Any idea on why that type of shotgun was banned? Having done a bit of research pump action shotguns are legal in Australia providing the magazine holds fewer than 6 shots for a variety of people with the correct licence.

it has completely destroyed your augment, that banning such weapons works.
No it hasn't, any more than the fact he committed murder destroys the argument for banning murder.
 
And why was it brought in? Not in fear of public safety, but in fear of a socialist revolution.
Correct. The Russian Revolution had occurred a few years previously and after WWI parts of the British Army had revolted. Much twitching of sphinters in certain circles followed.
 
Error you need that rifle, or an acceptable subsitute would be something AR10ish. AR-15s are for girls.

Not the AR one of my mates in GA has...

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His party trick is to approach the unwary at the shooting range & say "excuse me, is this supposed to happen?" whilst dropping a 5.56 round into the barrel of his 458 AR so it falls straight out the muzzle. :mrgreen:
 
Not the AR one of my mates in GA has...

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His party trick is to approach the unwary at the shooting range & say "excuse me, is this supposed to happen?" whilst dropping a 5.56 round into the barrel of his 458 AR so it falls straight out the muzzle. :mrgreen:
You can do the same with a Tanfoglio, that has a 45 ACP and 9mm Para slide. The 9 mm version is far better known than the 45, so most people take one look at it and assume that it's the 9mm version.
 
But Ted here is the reality I live in. ANYBODY can now be a first responder here. It matters not if you are actually being paid to do the job. If you happen to have the kit and are at the wrong place at the right time one has a choice to make. You can either rise up and engage in your civic duty and wait until the professionals take over, or you can ignore it and live with the consequences of not helping.

What would distinguish you from the shooter when the "responders" did arrive?
White, male, middle-aged, white hat?


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Or do you have a badge?
 
What would distinguish you from the shooter when the "responders" did arrive?
White, male, middle-aged, white hat?


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Or do you have a badge?
In this day and age of mobile phones it should be relatively easy for a legally armed citizen to make his presence known to the police before their arrival at the scene. It might also help to put the gun away just before their arrival.
 
Mass shhoting at a Philly graduation party.

It is way down the news reports because it is so regular. I nearly said 'so normal' but there is nothing normal about the gun culture in the US. Oh btw, it's the 172nd mass shooting in the US this year.
 
Not the US but nearby. In Toronto, Ontario today there was a major celebration for the Toronto basketball team which won the championship trophy. Reports of the event said the total crowd was about 2 million. One or two people (stories vary ) shot into the crowd and shot 4 people.

Toronto mass shooting

I am unsure why but the celebrations for basketball seem to engender more violence than hockey crowds.

It was nice to see a Canadian team win the championship for the first time. Basketball was invented in Montreal but became more popular once it started in the US.
Nice also for Torontohockey fans. The Toronto Maple Leafs have not won Lord Stanley's Cup for 52 years. I have two Godchildren in Ontario. No Cup wins in their lifetime and no Cup wins in the lifetime of either of their parents.
 
But fully automatic firearms are, you just need to live one one of the many states that allow them and pay the required tax stamp. I take it you have never spent any length of time living in the USA?
NOT even close Boyo, to legally own a class III firearm you must reside in a state which allows it, AND Initiate the proper forms (ATF form 4) and undergo federal investigation. Even then the local chief LEO in your are must also sign the documents. The investigation typically takes about 6- 9 months and quite thorough

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The Process
Ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934, individuals buying machineguns have required the same procedure for each machinegun.
1) Federal transfer form with fingerprints and photographs for the background check.
2) One-time transfer tax of $200.

When your form is approved, a Federal stamp in the amount of $200 is attached to your form certifying approval. This form is your ‘permission slip’ to own that specific machinegun.

Eligibility:

1. You must be a US citizen over 21
2. You must not have been convicted of a crime
3. You must live in a state and jurisdiction that does not prohibit machineguns.


it gets more complicated if the firearm is not in the state you live in

Its certainly not popping down to K Mart for a Mk III Sten
 
So, in the cop's case cowardice is a crime but if you are a crooked coward you become POTUS.
Ask FDR he never served but his cousins all did. Quentin was even shot down by the Imperial German Air service, Kermit was in the British Army, Archie was crippled and Ted Jr gassed and shot while franklin sipped champagne in D.C.


where was your womanly rage at bill clinton? if you didnt post it you are a hypocrite
 
Ask FDR he never served but his cousins all did. Quentin was even shot down by the Imperial German Air service, Kermit was in the British Army, Archie was crippled and Ted Jr gassed and shot while franklin sipped champagne in D.C.


where was your womanly rage at bill clinton? if you didnt post it you are a hypocrite
I don't think ARRSE was around when Clinton was president but his avoidance of the draft has been mentioned on many occasions, I'm surprised you're white knighting someone you didn't vote for
 

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