Mass Shootings in the US

A culture of violence. Films, television, music, and other popular culture glorify violence to a greater degree in the US than elsewhere.
One thing you notice about American entertainment is this. Just look at the body-counts in mainstream TV shows like the NCIS franchise, IIRC plain old vanilla NCIS averages over one person killed by the goodies per episode, the LA variant something like half a dozen. Even lightweight comedy-drama like Castle accounted for dozens of people. And nobody ever gets PTSD or is investigated or encounters any real consequences. Conversely the Law and Order franchise, which was all about consequences, suffered a ratings slide.

The message seems to be that problems are best solved with a gun and indeed NRA propaganda encourages this to the extent that in many states there are laws that tacitly encourage "kinetic solutions" - castle doctrine, stand your ground, etc.

Now, you might say, all of your examples are of the goodies and all of these fictional kills are "Righteous Kills" (that this is semi-official police parlance should tell you something...) but the thing is almost nobody sees themselves as the baddy in their own story, especially extremists and nutters. If you normalise killing as the acceptable way for the goodies to solve problems than the baddies (who don't think they're baddies) might just get the wrong impression.

Still, at least network television viewers in the US as safe from the social scourge that is the naked female breast. That's proper morality that is.
 
One thing you notice about American entertainment is this. Just look at the body-counts in mainstream TV shows like the NCIS franchise, IIRC plain old vanilla NCIS averages over one person killed by the goodies per episode, the LA variant something like half a dozen. Even lightweight comedy-drama like Castle accounted for dozens of people. And nobody ever gets PTSD or is investigated or encounters any real consequences. Conversely the Law and Order franchise, which was all about consequences, suffered a ratings slide.

The message seems to be that problems are best solved with a gun and indeed NRA propaganda encourages this to the extent that in many states there are laws that tacitly encourage "kinetic solutions" - castle doctrine, stand your ground, etc.

Now, you might say, all of your examples are of the goodies and all of these fictional kills are "Righteous Kills" (that this is semi-official police parlance should tell you something...) but the thing is almost nobody sees themselves as the baddy in their own story, especially extremists and nutters. If you normalise killing as the acceptable way for the goodies to solve problems than the baddies (who don't think they're baddies) might just get the wrong impression.

Still, at least network television viewers in the US as safe from the social scourge that is the naked female breast. That's proper morality that is.
What pray tell is wrong with Castle Doctrine??!!!
 
It‘s SonOfIcarus/SOI/Meerkatz/PhotEx.

Those figures are probably relative infant mortality rates in 16th century Madagascar vs Italy.

He does rather have form for authoritively posting irrelevant drivel and hoping nobody notices - it never works.
He also claims he stopped using the @meerkatz account as he forgot the password.

He seems to forget them a lot, seeing as how many accounts he’s had. I bet it’s definitely that, and not that he keeps being exposed as a permasending know-nothing.
 
Sorry, what are those numbers?
Good point. The firearms homicide rate in Canada has never been that high.

Statistics Canada is the Canadian government's equivalent of the UK government Office For National Statistics. SC publishes official Canadian stats same as ONS publishes official UK Stats.

The latest SC figures I could find were for 2016 when the firearms homicide rate in Canada was 0.6 people shot dead per 100,000 of the population. According to the FBI, the firearms homicide rate in the USA in 2016 was 11.6 people shot dead per 100,000 of the population, over 19 times the death rate in Canada.

In Canada, as in most other countries, gun ownership is a privilege, not a right. As in Britain, Canadian police can and will take guns from people if they present a danger to themselves or to others. All gun owners in Canada must have a licence that is renewed every five years. That effectively stops gun nuts, self defence fantasists, homicidal racists and children getting hold of firearms.

Most importantly, it also stops people who are mentally ill obtaining firearms. As in Britain, Canadian police will not issue a firearms licences to people with a history of significant mental illness, including suicidal depression.

That's why suicide isn't the major cause of shooting deaths in Canada.

That's why the major cause of mass murders in Canada is not "family annihilation" where a parent shoots dead their entire family before committing suicide.
 
All gun owners in Canada must have a licence that is renewed every five years. That effectively stops gun nuts, self defence fantasists, homicidal racists and children getting hold of firearms.

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Which of course stopped Ryan, Hamilton and Bird goung tonto with legally held firearms


Oh wait!.


Most importantly, it also stops people who are mentally ill obtaining firearms. As in Britain, Canadian police will not issue a firearms licences to people with a history of significant mental illness, including suicidal depression.
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And of course the UK police have never issued a firearms license to anyone with mental health issurs.....


Oh wait!
 
You asked for a comparison of drownings.... thems the stats
Er, no, not quite. You made the connection between drowning and shooting, I asked how that comparison matched up with Canada. Not just the drowning stats.

But even your incomplete answer is useful. The comparison of the drowning stats - might - allow an hypothesis that the basic cultural norms such as wealth (i.e. access to swimming pools etc) are broadly similar. We know they watch the same TV (more or less), listen to the same music (more or less) and speak the same language (again...). And have a similar 'great outdoors' culture. These are all things that have been posited on here as possible explanatory variables. Yet, while all seem to be broadly the same, the variance in gun deaths is staggering. Taking @Ancient_Mariner's numbers as fact, that's nearly a 20x difference. If your argument about criminality stacks up, one might expect to see a 20x difference in criminal populations (%) in the countries. So the explanation does seem to lie in the Canadian attitude to policing as described by AM.
 
Which of course stopped Ryan, Hamilton and Bird goung tonto with legally held firearms


Oh wait!.





And of course the UK police have never issued a firearms license to anyone with mental health issurs.....


Oh wait!
You're missing the point, perhaps intentionally.

The British police can, and do, routinely refuse gun licences to mentally ill people. Police in America don't, not least because you don't need a licence to buy a gun in America.

That's why you have been able to find three incidents in the UK meeting the American definition of mass murder with guns in 22 years while in America, there hasn't been a single day in the past three years when there hasn't been a mass murder with guns.
 
They quite possibly were. Flagging that incident up isn't exactly doing much good to the 'armed citizens will cause more casualties, the police should be left to handle it' line of thinking though.
137 police officers died in the line of duty last year in America. 45 of those, nearly one a week, were shot dead.

The last time a police officer was shot dead in Britain was in 2012.

I can't help wondering what would happen if the local gun lobby turned up at an American police funeral and started lecturing the mourners about the benefits of an armed citizenry.
 
137 police officers died in the line of duty last year in America. 45 of those, nearly one a week, were shot dead.

The last time a police officer was shot dead in Britain was in 2012.

I can't help wondering what would happen if the local gun lobby turned up at an American police funeral and started lecturing the mourners about the benefits of an armed citizenry.
Why would they do that? The majority of Police Officers in the US agree with them about the benefits of an armed citizenry. What Police Officers have an issue with are armed criminals, and no-one has come up with a workable solution to that yet.
 
Er, no, not quite. You made the connection between drowning and shooting, I asked how that comparison matched up with Canada. Not just the drowning stats.

But even your incomplete answer is useful. The comparison of the drowning stats - might - allow an hypothesis that the basic cultural norms such as wealth (i.e. access to swimming pools etc) are broadly similar. We know they watch the same TV (more or less), listen to the same music (more or less) and speak the same language (again...). And have a similar 'great outdoors' culture. These are all things that have been posited on here as possible explanatory variables. Yet, while all seem to be broadly the same, the variance in gun deaths is staggering. Taking @Ancient_Mariner's numbers as fact, that's nearly a 20x difference. If your argument about criminality stacks up, one might expect to see a 20x difference in criminal populations (%) in the countries. So the explanation does seem to lie in the Canadian attitude to policing as described by AM.

Much lower levels of criminality in Canada, ditto the issue I raised that the USA, unlike Canada, has been effectively at war since 1945 and has the highest percentage of veterans of any Western country.
 
You're missing the point, perhaps intentionally.

The British police can, and do, routinely refuse gun licences to mentally ill people. Police in America don't, not least because you don't need a licence to buy a gun in America.

That's why you have been able to find three incidents in the UK meeting the American definition of mass murder with guns in 22 years while in America, there hasn't been a single day in the past three years when there hasn't been a mass murder with guns.

But licensing is touted as the catch all panacea to gun deaths in the USA, and here we are, the only 3 mass casualty shootings in the UK were carried out by licensed people who were known to their local constabulary as weirdos and nuts.
 

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