Mass Shootings in the US

And yet another normal day. Some get married, some are at school, some are at work, some have been shot dead. The weather turned out nice, somewhere.

Woman kills three in Maryland shooting
Every 8 seconds a baby is born in the USA and a person dies every 11 seconds

US population is 329,629,100

Gun Homicides are 15,549 for 2017 or 0.004717121369782392% of the population

More die in Auto accidents and from Heart disease then guns

Autos 40,000- U.S. vehicle deaths topped 40,000 in 2017, National Safety Council estimates

Heart disease-800,000 in 2017
 
US population is 329,629,100

Gun Homicides are 15,549 for 2017 or 0.004717121369782392% of the population

More die in Auto accidents and from Heart disease then guns

Autos 40,000- U.S. vehicle deaths topped 40,000 in 2017, National Safety Council estimates

Heart disease-800,000 in 2017
And when Americans start walking in to their local schools, shops or workplaces with predictable regularity and offing their fellows with heart disease, you'll start to have a point.
 
Every 8 seconds a baby is born in the USA and a person dies every 11 seconds

US population is 329,629,100

Gun Homicides are 15,549 for 2017 or 0.004717121369782392% of the population

More die in Auto accidents and from Heart disease then guns

Autos 40,000- U.S. vehicle deaths topped 40,000 in 2017, National Safety Council estimates

Heart disease-800,000 in 2017
Of course. The US is big country, and four more dead is a drop in the ocean that is the rest of the population.

But you've just demonstrated what can be characterised as American society's acceptance of shootings and not having the need to change anything about it.
 
Of course. The US is big country, and four more dead is a drop in the ocean that is the rest of the population.

But you've just demonstrated what can be characterised as American society's acceptance of shootings and not having the need to change anything about it.
Other than a ban on firearms which is not realistic how would YOU change it?

Gangmembers who smuggle in drugs will smuggle in guns to protect their turf
 
And when Americans start walking in to their local schools, shops or workplaces with predictable regularity and offing their fellows with heart disease, you'll start to have a point.
The point you tedious twunt is that its not the threat you hysterics make it out as. Im 55 and live in NYC and Never had a family member shot, never had a friend shot, never had a co worker shot, but to you hysterics one would believe people are shot every few minutes in their bathtubs. I stand a far greater chance of harm from being pushed onto subway tracks or from a cab driving through a red light than from a firearm in the USA.

Whether you believe that or not I simply do not care.

the 2nd Amendment is a US constitutional right and we frankly dont give fcuk one what your opinion of it is
 
The point you tedious twunt is that its not the threat you hysterics make it out as. Im 55 and live in NYC and Never had a family member shot, never had a friend shot, never had a co worker shot, but to you hysterics one would believe people are shot every few minutes in their bathtubs. I stand a far greater chance of harm from being pushed onto subway tracks or from a cab driving through a red light than from a firearm in the USA.

Whether you believe that or not I simply do not care.

the 2nd Amendment is a US constitutional right and we frankly dont give fcuk one what your opinion of it is
We understand that. We understand that the murder of other people's children is not something you are concerned about.

How about if it were your children that were murdered? Would you shrug your shoulders and point to the 2nd amendment?
 
The point you tedious twunt is that its not the threat you hysterics make it out as. Im 55 and live in NYC and Never had a family member shot, never had a friend shot, never had a co worker shot, but to you hysterics one would believe people are shot every few minutes in their bathtubs. I stand a far greater chance of harm from being pushed onto subway tracks or from a cab driving through a red light than from a firearm in the USA.

Whether you believe that or not I simply do not care.

the 2nd Amendment is a US constitutional right and we frankly dont give fcuk one what your opinion of it is
Genuine question, not having a dig.. Would your opinion be different regarding the availability and volume of firearms in the public domain, if a member (or more) of your own family were either shot and killed, or shot and severly damaged for life?
 
Genuine question, not having a dig.. Would your opinion be different regarding the availability and volume of firearms in the public domain, if a member (or more) of your own family were either shot and killed, or shot and severly damaged for life?
No.
 
the 2nd Amendment is a US constitutional right and we frankly dont give fcuk one what your opinion of it is
Well, obviously. The amount of effort you've put in to not giving a **** just on this one thread tells it's own story.
 
Powerful ad.

That offers up a new version of the “I only read it for the articles” defence when the missus catches you cracking one out to Miss February.

“I only read it for the gun control ads”.
 
Gun control ad in Playboy from 1981.

note that in Canada and Switzerland (at that time) there were more guns per head of population than the USA. (and god knows how many guns in Germany lying around from the last war) Proving that it is not guns that kill people but people who kill people.

So the problem is not the guns but people.
Clearly it is US people.......
Time to remove the guns from the dangerous people?
 
note that in Canada and Switzerland (at that time) there were more guns per head of population than the USA. (and god knows how many guns in Germany lying around from the last war) Proving that it is not guns that kill people but people who kill people.

Time to remove the guns from the dangerous people?
Let's have a workable proposition from you to expidite that one?
Mission Impossible.
 
Let's have a workable proposition from you to expidite that one?
Mission Impossible.
Minimum age for gun ownership 21
Background checks before issuing a license.
Slowly tightening things up.

It is going to take 75 years to change things inthe USA but you have tro start somewhere.
If not now when?
 

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Minimum age for gun ownership 21
Background checks before issuing a license.
Slowly tightening things up.

It is going to take 75 years to change things inthe USA but you have tro start somewhere.
If not now when?
Add to that severe restrictions on ammunition, better education and training before issuing a license and strict control on storage. Nobody says it will be quick or easy, but trying is better than the current attitudes of more guns, too hard and it's a God given right
 
Minimum age for gun ownership 21
Background checks before issuing a license.
Slowly tightening things up.

It is going to take 75 years to change things inthe USA but you have tro start somewhere.
If not now when?
I know where you are with this and do get it.
Main issue?
It seems as easy for "them" to lay hands on lethal fire arms as it is for you & I to buy a set of "deadly" meat cleavers & kitchen knives no matter what systems & processes from State to State exist now, or will in the future.
Happens in our relatively gun "free" UK now after all and witness how that is turning out.
The thought of it taking decades is probably realistic, but it beggars belief what will continue to occur during these years of "reformation". Not to mention the potential impacts of "adjusting" some of the Constitution & dollar-driven Hoorah NRA.
 
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Other than a ban on firearms which is not realistic how would YOU change it?

Gangmembers who smuggle in drugs will smuggle in guns to protect their turf
There's a few things that can be done, but it would mean giving up a little of your freedom to own. I'm all for responsible ownership. It won't fix the illegal gun situation, but it would reduce the numbers of negligent injuries or deaths and allow the law enforcement agencies to concentrate on the illegal sides. The hardest part would be to allow registration of firearms in the same way as cars are registered. I

1 - Each "High" school to have a Firearm Safety Officer who is responsible for firearm education within that school. Firearm handling & safety to be made part of the curriculum. If a parent/guardian decides that they don't want to have their child educated, they should sign a waiver form to state that. Once the education course is completed, they are awarded a Firearm Safety certificate.

2 - Introduction of "Firearm Licence" on a Federal level. The firearm licence can be awarded once the relevant course is completed.. That means when your child graduates, they can apply for the licence. Once the licence is obtained, they can purchase any legal firearm with a reduced wait time. The licence would

3 - Non Firearm Licence holders who are in possession of a FA certificate can still purchase a firearm, but with a longer wait time. If you don't have either, than you need to complete the FA cert course.

4 - Each firearm owner must be insured as such, in the same way as a car owner has to be insured. This can either be done as a household or an individual. The insurance is to cover loss/theft of the weapon or injury caused while the owner is in possession. Each loss/theft or incident must be reported to the insurance company. This is the same as being insured to drive. you're covered for the replacement of the weapon etc.

5 - If you are judged medically or criminally incompetent to hold a firearm, your insurance becomes void immediately. Therefore, you would be liable for arrest if you still possess (have access to) a firearm. If you use a family member's weapon, you are not insured for it and could be liable for a fine.

6 - Selling firearms should only be done via a reputable dealer. You can either sell the weapon to a store, or ask the store to sell on your behalf. If you want to sell your gun to someone you know, the registration of the gun must be updated

7 - Legal firearms must be registered. That means you have to tell the government you own a weapon. If you sell the gun as above, you must transfer the registration to the new owner (and tell your insurance company)

In essence, I'm all for ownership, but the USA has to realise that with ownership comes responsibility, and for those complaining about the 2nd AMENDMENT. Remember that, it wasn't included in the original constitution. Further, the Constitution is a living document, amendments and changes have been made as time passed. The world has changed since 1791 and to claim a single amendment as completely perfect is a false belief. Even the wording is subject to intense debate.
 

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