Mass Shootings in the US

And this evening we have had two officers shot in NE Dallas attending a Home Depot (B&Q) to deal with a shoplifter/theft. Presumption is that the scrote was apprehended, police called to attend and once it got past the talking stage and the scrote reailised he was off to pokey he shot one officer in the face and the other in the back of the head. Indicating that the scrote was not searched and probably had a pocket sized pistol.

Here licensed security personnel have the ability to detain and handcuff pending police arrival. I am thinking that the scrote was detained and not searched and when plod arrived they assumed he had been searched and just went to escort him to their car.

Tragic.
 
You are indeed correct. Sorry only picked up the second wrong autocorrect.

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Wilfred - Autocorrect can be a PITA. It could have been worse. A friend in Ireland is a university professor who teaches Old Irish and also Medieval Irish History. One of his students turned in a lengthy paper and clearly had hit MS Word autocorrect at the end. Each time the student has typed "ogham stones" the autocorrect changed it to "orgasm stones"
 
And this evening we have had two officers shot in NE Dallas attending a Home Depot (B&Q) to deal with a shoplifter/theft. Presumption is that the scrote was apprehended, police called to attend and once it got past the talking stage and the scrote reailised he was off to pokey he shot one officer in the face and the other in the back of the head. Indicating that the scrote was not searched and probably had a pocket sized pistol.

Here licensed security personnel have the ability to detain and handcuff pending police arrival. I am thinking that the scrote was detained and not searched and when plod arrived they assumed he had been searched and just went to escort him to their car.

Tragic.
From what I have heard here on the news the shooter, Armando Luis Juarez, has been arrested. He had a guilty plea for auto theft last fall but was released on bail until a sentencing date in February. He failed to show for the hearing and a default warrant was issued. I would guess that store security at Home Depot grabbed him for shoplifting and when the police arrived he realized he would be arrested on the warrant and started shooting. As Juarez had a criminal record he could not legally buy a gun.

The news tonight said that the male officer, aged 27, was in "very grave" condition after being shot in the back of the head. The female officer, also young, was shot in the face and undergoing surgery but is in stable condition. The store security is in stable condition. All three are now out of surgery as of 11PM Dallas time. Sad situation.

BTW - Texas has a death penalty and I would suspect that the courts and jury might impose it on a cop killer if an officer dies.

Bad for cops all over recently. Last week in Massachusetts, where I live, a officer was shot and killed when attempting to serve a warrant on a man for probation violation. The man had a record of 113 arrests since he was 16. It is unclear why a person with his record was on probation rather than serving a custodial sentence. The officers canine partner was also shot but survived surgery at a vets and is being retired into the care of a retired police canine officer.
 
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@Effendi

I got shown a video years ago, where a chap is put unhandcuffed in a detention room by a US officer. He has a think, says thanks for a bottle of water, is left alone has a think a bit more and draws a pistol and shoots himself. The detectives deadpan "oh damn" reaction when he walks back in was quite remarkable.

It reinforced then need for me to do the drills right every time, and I was more concerned about knives. Problem is things can escalate rather quickly, especially with access to firearms.

Sorry to hear about the continual loss of life.
 
@Effendi

I got shown a video years ago, where a chap is put unhandcuffed in a detention room by a US officer. He has a think, says thanks for a bottle of water, is left alone has a think a bit more and draws a pistol and shoots himself. The detectives deadpan "oh damn" reaction when he walks back in was quite remarkable.

It reinforced then need for me to do the drills right every time, and I was more concerned about knives. Problem is things can escalate rather quickly, especially with access to firearms.

Sorry to hear about the continual loss of life.
Boumer - Dallas has had a tough time in the past few years. During the summer of 2016. a sniper went to a Black Lives Matter demonstration and killed 5 officers (4 Dallas PD, 1 transit authority) with a civilian semi-auto version of the AK-74.
The sniper was motivated by the Black Lives Matter movement. He was a US Army veteran who had served in Afghanistan. While in Afghanistan when he was accused of stealing 4 pairs of knickers from a female soldiers laundry bag. When his bags were searched they found the knickers and also found a hand grenade and .50BMG ammunition. He was in an engineer unit and his MOS was carpentry and masonry. This resulted in his involuntary separation from the Army
 
@Effendi

I got shown a video years ago, where a chap is put unhandcuffed in a detention room by a US officer. He has a think, says thanks for a bottle of water, is left alone has a think a bit more and draws a pistol and shoots himself. The detectives deadpan "oh damn" reaction when he walks back in was quite remarkable.

It reinforced then need for me to do the drills right every time, and I was more concerned about knives. Problem is things can escalate rather quickly, especially with access to firearms.

Sorry to hear about the continual loss of life.
Someone is shot more or less daily here in Dallas. Personally, I have never seen, or heard anything in 9 years in the US, maybe it is because I live in nice area's. However, if I go looking for it I can find shite very quickly. South Dallas is well known as an area for 'bother', lots of little "hood's" run by gangs making money out of drugs - mainly people of colour. If they are not selling drugs then they are busy killing each other for some perceived slight, or the desire to take over a neighbouring hood to expand the area of operations.

I went into a huge sports shop t'other day to grab a leatherman and thought I would have a quick shufti at the pistols whilst I was there. There was a 'posse' of coloured wimmin variously tatt'ed, pierced and semi-dressed looking at the cheap end of the counter where they display the $189.00 .380's. As I was the only other punter one of them asked me what I thought of one of the el cheapo pistols. Turned out that the girly who was spending her dole checque on the pistol had been threatened at knife point by a former boyfriend (read: pimp) "So ah want's me sum pro-tekshun". Asked if she had ever been taught to shoot she told me her mum is a licensed security officer authorised to carry a firearm so she was going to take her to the range.............Mum happened to be the biggest, fattest one of the gaggle that was there.

I see people buying these small semi-auto pocket pistols everytime I am in a gun shop. Then they carry them in their pocket, handbag, or car and when tempers get heated out they come. One thing the wife and I have both commented on here is that they have problems dealing with verbal conflict - they just cannot cope. Then if it gets to a full on British style threat of a barney they almost run away. Funny old place.
 
Wilfred - Autocorrect can be a PITA. It could have been worse. A friend in Ireland is a university professor who teaches Old Irish and also Medieval Irish History. One of his students turned in a lengthy paper and clearly had hit MS Word autocorrect at the end. Each time the student has typed "ogham stones" the autocorrect changed it to "orgasm stones"
Well as the thread is approaching the mandatory stalemate for all US/UK gun ownership threads I might as well join you off piste.

We wrote an IT proposal for a distribution system for a large food company round about 1987/88, I think using Wordstar.

The chellspecker turned every instance of “warehouses” into “whorehouses” and every instance of “one stop shopping” into “arse stop slapping”.

I have never been able to work out the latter.

Luckily for us the proposal went to the IT Director (who was championing us as supplier). He thought it was hilarious, returned all the copies and suggested a rapid revision/submission.
 
@Effendi

I got shown a video years ago, where a chap is put unhandcuffed in a detention room by a US officer. He has a think, says thanks for a bottle of water, is left alone has a think a bit more and draws a pistol and shoots himself. The detectives deadpan "oh damn" reaction when he walks back in was quite remarkable.

It reinforced then need for me to do the drills right every time, and I was more concerned about knives. Problem is things can escalate rather quickly, especially with access to firearms.

Sorry to hear about the continual loss of life.
There’s a few of those. This one? NSFW ‘add
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Someone is shot more or less daily here in Dallas. Personally, I have never seen, or heard anything in 9 years in the US, maybe it is because I live in nice area's. However, if I go looking for it I can find shite very quickly. South Dallas is well known as an area for 'bother', lots of little "hood's" run by gangs making money out of drugs - mainly people of colour. If they are not selling drugs then they are busy killing each other for some perceived slight, or the desire to take over a neighbouring hood to expand the area of operations.

I went into a huge sports shop t'other day to grab a leatherman and thought I would have a quick shufti at the pistols whilst I was there. There was a 'posse' of coloured wimmin variously tatt'ed, pierced and semi-dressed looking at the cheap end of the counter where they display the $189.00 .380's. As I was the only other punter one of them asked me what I thought of one of the el cheapo pistols. Turned out that the girly who was spending her dole checque on the pistol had been threatened at knife point by a former boyfriend (read: pimp) "So ah want's me sum pro-tekshun". Asked if she had ever been taught to shoot she told me her mum is a licensed security officer authorised to carry a firearm so she was going to take her to the range.............Mum happened to be the biggest, fattest one of the gaggle that was there.

I see people buying these small semi-auto pocket pistols everytime I am in a gun shop. Then they carry them in their pocket, handbag, or car and when tempers get heated out they come. One thing the wife and I have both commented on here is that they have problems dealing with verbal conflict - they just cannot cope. Then if it gets to a full on British style threat of a barney they almost run away. Funny old place.
Did you at least try to encourage them to get a 9mm? At least that way when they ND themselves their is a slightly better chance of a one and done, and not thousands of dollars punted on the taxpayers to pay for this whoops.
 
Well as the thread is approaching the mandatory stalemate for all US/UK gun ownership threads I might as well join you off piste.

We wrote an IT proposal for a distribution system for a large food company round about 1987/88, I think using Wordstar.

The chellspecker turned every instance of “warehouses” into “whorehouses” and every instance of “one stop shopping” into “arse stop slapping”.

I have never been able to work out the latter.

Luckily for us the proposal went to the IT Director (who was championing us as supplier). He thought it was hilarious, returned all the copies and suggested a rapid revision/submission.
There is a building on my cycle route, I will take a photo of the signage for you.
 
Yup the Blue States. Just ask &Spudgunny. He lives on the East Coast and was more than likely a Hillary voter. He can fill you in on the marvels of gun control out that way.
I have a mate in NY who owns a couple of pistols. But, his Mrs is a civilian big cheese with NY City and he used to be an editor with the NY Times - so that may have helped.

New Jersey - 1 : I knew retired cops from NJ who moved to Florida because they wanted to carry on shooting as a hobby. NJ is very difficult to get anything even for retired cops.

New Jersey - 2 : There is a particularly shite badly signed road junction on the inner ring road in Philadelphia. If you end up in the wrong lane you are on the bridge into NJ with no chance of a turnaround until you are over the otherside firmly in NJ. I lost count of the reports of people who legally had a gun locked up in their car, took the wrong turning and because of some imaginative U-Turning on the otherside of the bridge got pulled by NJ State Police. One of the first questions they ask out of Stater's is, "do you have a firearm with you"?.................."yes officer, but I took the wrong turn and I am only turning around to get back over the bridge". Nah, wrong!! Immediate felony. They normally allow it as a misdemeanour, but it can get quite sticky at times.

Maryland: I always worried about driving through Maryland. They can get funny if they stop you.

D,C.: They will throw away the key if they catch you in DC, do not even go anywhere near the Beltway.

On the otherside of the coin, in Texas: It's more or less compulsary to own at least a half dozen.
 
I have a mate in NY who owns a couple of pistols. But, his Mrs is a civilian big cheese with NY City and he used to be an editor with the NY Times - so that may have helped.

New Jersey - 1 : I knew retired cops from NJ who moved to Florida because they wanted to carry on shooting as a hobby. NJ is very difficult to get anything even for retired cops.

New Jersey - 2 : There is a particularly shite badly signed road junction on the inner ring road in Philadelphia. If you end up in the wrong lane you are on the bridge into NJ with no chance of a turnaround until you are over the otherside firmly in NJ. I lost count of the reports of people who legally had a gun locked up in their car, took the wrong turning and because of some imaginative U-Turning on the otherside of the bridge got pulled by NJ State Police. One of the first questions they ask out of Stater's is, "do you have a firearm with you"?.................."yes officer, but I took the wrong turn and I am only turning around to get back over the bridge". Nah, wrong!! Immediate felony. They normally allow it as a misdemeanour, but it can get quite sticky at times.

Maryland: I always worried about driving through Maryland. They can get funny if they stop you.

D,C.: They will throw away the key if they catch you in DC, do not even go anywhere near the Beltway.

On the otherside of the coin, in Texas: It's more or less compulsary to own at least a half dozen.
I will stick to Wyoming. It just assumed you have a weapon and nobody bothers to ask. Granted NCIC will pull from the DMV to show that you have a carry permit.
 
I have a mate in NY who owns a couple of pistols. But, his Mrs is a civilian big cheese with NY City and he used to be an editor with the NY Times - so that may have helped.

New Jersey - 1 : I knew retired cops from NJ who moved to Florida because they wanted to carry on shooting as a hobby. NJ is very difficult to get anything even for retired cops.

New Jersey - 2 : There is a particularly shite badly signed road junction on the inner ring road in Philadelphia. If you end up in the wrong lane you are on the bridge into NJ with no chance of a turnaround until you are over the otherside firmly in NJ. I lost count of the reports of people who legally had a gun locked up in their car, took the wrong turning and because of some imaginative U-Turning on the otherside of the bridge got pulled by NJ State Police. One of the first questions they ask out of Stater's is, "do you have a firearm with you"?.................."yes officer, but I took the wrong turn and I am only turning around to get back over the bridge". Nah, wrong!! Immediate felony. They normally allow it as a misdemeanour, but it can get quite sticky at times.

Maryland: I always worried about driving through Maryland. They can get funny if they stop you.

D,C.: They will throw away the key if they catch you in DC, do not even go anywhere near the Beltway.

On the otherside of the coin, in Texas: It's more or less compulsary to own at least a half dozen.
I have a mate in NY who owns a couple of pistols. But, his Mrs is a civilian big cheese with NY City and he used to be an editor with the NY Times - so that may have helped.

New Jersey - 1 : I knew retired cops from NJ who moved to Florida because they wanted to carry on shooting as a hobby. NJ is very difficult to get anything even for retired cops.

New Jersey - 2 : There is a particularly shite badly signed road junction on the inner ring road in Philadelphia. If you end up in the wrong lane you are on the bridge into NJ with no chance of a turnaround until you are over the otherside firmly in NJ. I lost count of the reports of people who legally had a gun locked up in their car, took the wrong turning and because of some imaginative U-Turning on the otherside of the bridge got pulled by NJ State Police. One of the first questions they ask out of Stater's is, "do you have a firearm with you"?.................."yes officer, but I took the wrong turn and I am only turning around to get back over the bridge". Nah, wrong!! Immediate felony. They normally allow it as a misdemeanour, but it can get quite sticky at times.

Maryland: I always worried about driving through Maryland. They can get funny if they stop you.

D,C.: They will throw away the key if they catch you in DC, do not even go anywhere near the Beltway.

On the otherside of the coin, in Texas: It's more or less compulsary to own at least a half dozen.

Let’s have a look, shall we?

Transporting a Firearm Into / Through the State of New Jersey | New Jersey State Police Firearms Information

Maryland is broadly the same and even D.C. can be safely navigated as long as you’re not an utter gowl about it.

Their state, their rules. It’s curious how some 2A fetishists get all drippy about ‘small’ government here (non-Federal) when they exercise their ‘States Rights’. They’re all ******* libertarians until it’s their school district or infrastructure project, hospital or library that’s cut.

Know the rules when crossing state lines and act accordingly. You know...that whole responsibility thing? Yeah. That.
 

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