Martyrdom Videos

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BBC radio news are reporting that the rozzers have found 'half a dozen' martyrdom videos apparently of suspects arrested as part of the airline bomb plot.

Whoops! That's going to be tricky to explain to the magistrates. :D
 
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I want to see these bastards put away please stop reporting on things that are covered on PACE
 
#4
Who the hell keeps briefing the Press with so much detail?
 
#5
Booty said:
If details of this investigation keep leaking out, the magistrates' court may be as far as it gets.
Isn't it convenient how the whole case getting compromised might give the government an excuse to drop all the charges. :evil:

Come on Home Office.....declare Paranoia State 1 and rising. She canna take it, captain!
 
#6
PoisonDwarf said:
Booty said:
If details of this investigation keep leaking out, the magistrates' court may be as far as it gets.
Isn't it convenient how the whole case getting compromised might give the government an excuse to drop all the charges. :evil:

Come on Home Office.....declare Paranoia State 1 and rising. She canna take it, captain!
Paranoia would surely dictate that the govt. would want convictions to prove to us how much we need them to protect us.

Anyway, the Beeb has been reporting things like this for over seventy years. They wouldn't jeopardise a court case, our troops lives, yes, but not a court case by leaking information. They'd end up in the dock themselves and that really does focus their minds.
 
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If they keep leaking this sh*t out, the defence will have a field day.
This level of information can only come from a police source.
 

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Biscuits_AB said:
If they keep leaking this sh*t out, the defence will have a field day.
This level of information can only come from a police source.
Not necessarily Biccies, it could also be the civil servant(s) whose job it is is to liaise with the ploice on this matter to ensure the gobment are kept aware of events. I feel that this is a more likely source as the boys in blue would love to stick these guys away if they are guilty.
 

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Biscuits_AB said:
BBC this afternoon said it was a Police source.
Fair do's.

However, are the BBC as 'neutral' politically as they used to be? It really don't matter as this gobment will get out exactly what they want to get out, and if it is wrong, they will have someone lined up for the blame.
 
#13
It's the battle for hearts and minds - convincing the UK electorate that the nasty people are out there that's important, rather than putting a handful of people away.

With all the information they have, convicted or not, if these people who were arrested are guilty, they'll be living with their very own Security bloke for the rest of their lives, so they're not going to be plotting any more.

In the bigger scheme what's more important? A steady trickle of "Vote for us, we'll save you - look what they were going to do" messages, that shape public perception, or 6 people being sent to prison for conspiracy, in about six months time, that the press allocates half a dozen lines to on page 15?

(And "police sources" is a very broad term - Home Office Civil Servants who work out at Scotland Yard can be referred to as "Police sources" - especially when the press are told in their anonymous briefing to attribute them as such.)
 
#14
I just wonder if these 'martyrdom' videos are like the 'Disneyland bomb recce video' found in US. Remember at the time it was stated quite unequivocally that a terror cell had been caught while plotting to commit atrocities...blah blah. It turned out to be utter rubbish, politically expedient fear and paranoia, it was actually some kids' holiday videos. But Bush actually went on the world's press affirming it was definitely terrorism. If we can't trust the US President to tell the truth, then we certainly can't trust our lying bunch of lawyers.

I reckon all this is going to turn out to be a load of crap. I do believe there are disaffected islamic thugs out there but there's certainly no nationwide conspiracy. It's as fishy as the Jonbenet Ramsay case!
 
#16
I've been reading up on the manufacture of TATP (triacetone triperoxide) from hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid.

(Note to any would-be bomb-makers who may read these words: essential steps have been omitted and attempting to use what follows as a recipe would be both futile and dangerous.)

Apparently, the three constituent liquids have to be kept chilled while they are stirred for hours.

All the while, the combined liquids give off substantial quantities of pungent toxic fumes requiring power ventilation.

Then the combined liquids are left to stand, still chilled, for a day or two.

TATP forms as a white precipitate which is collected after the liquid is decanted. The precipatate must be dried and kept at a low temperature.

How does one perform these operations in the bathroom of a transatlantic passenger plane in flight?
 
#17
Duh NWD , you travel IcelandAir!

Badda-boom-tssssssssh

Thank you, I'll be here all week , try the steak etc etc :D

I'm sure it occured to the experten NWD , but the message is more important.....
 
#18
Top-level public officials making up yarns about how terrorists could manufacture explosives by combining seemingly innocuous liquids on an aircraft in flight? Say it aint so!

From "Raw Story."

Lieutenant-Colonel (ret.) Nigel Wylde, a former senior British Army Intelligence Officer, has suggested that the police and government story about the "terror plot" revealed on 10th August was part of a "pattern of lies and deceit."

British and American government officials have described the operation which resulting in the arrest of 24 mostly British Muslim suspects, as a resounding success. Thirteen of the suspects have been charged, and two released without charges.

According to security sources, the terror suspects were planning to board up to ten civilian airliners and detonate highly volatile liquid explosives on the planes in a spectacular terrorist operation. The liquid explosives -- either TATP (Triacetone Triperoxide), DADP (diacetone diperoxide) or the less sensitive HMTD (hexamethylene triperoxide diamine) -- were reportedly to be made on board the planes by mixing sports drinks with a peroxide-based household gel and then be detonated using an MP3 player or mobile phone.

But Lt. Col. Wylde, who was awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal for his command of the Belfast Explosive Ordnance Disposal Unit in 1974, described this scenario as a "fiction." Creating liquid explosives is a "highly dangerous and sophisticated task," he states, one that requires not only significant chemical expertise but also appropriate equipment.

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After working as a bomb defuser in Northern Ireland, Lt. Col. Wylde became a senior officer in British Army Intelligence in 1977.

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"This story has been blown out of all proportion. The liquids would need to be carefully distilled at freezing temperatures to extract the required chemicals, which are very difficult to obtain in the purities needed."




"Sources: August terror plot is a 'fiction' underscoring police failures"
by Nafeez Ahmed
Published: Monday September 18, 2006
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Sources_August_Terror_Plot_Fiction_Underscoring_0918.html
 
#19
Not_Whistlin_Dixie said:
PoisonDwarf said:
Isn't it convenient how the whole case getting compromised might give the government an excuse to drop all the charges. :evil:
Why should the government want to drop the charges?
Hmm, could it be to whip up anti-Islamic feeling among the general populace and raise inter-ethnic tensions, perhaps? Then when the evidence is discredited, no-one goes to chokey and all that remains is the ill-feeling, paranoia and hatred of all things Muslim. Ta-da!! Job done.

Right, where's that Bacofoil...
 
#20
The author is Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed is the author of The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry (Duckworth, £9:99) and The War on Truth: 9/11, Disinformation and the Anatomy of Terrorism (Arris, £12:99).
I wonder if Mr Ahmed has an axe to grind? He also writes for Dissident Voice, OpEd News, Online Journal, Media Monitors Network, The American Muslim & The Muslim News, amongst others.
 

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