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Marriage in the Middle East "Their Rules"

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RIYADH (AFP) - An 11-year-old boy has married his 10-year-old cousin in the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom of Saudi Arabia, a newspaper reported on Tuesday.

Mohammed al-Rashidi and his unidentified cousin will seal the marriage they contracted under the sharia laws of Islam and move in together after a ceremony to take place in the summer, Al-Shams newspaper said.

"I am ready for this marriage. It will help me study better," Mohammed, who goes to primary school in the northern province of Hail, was quoted as saying by Al-Shams.

"I invite all my classmates to do like me," the boy said, adding that he wanted to "crown a love story through marriage".

The schoolboy's father, Muraizak al-Rashidi, told the newspaper he was busy sending out invitations for a summer celebration to seal the marriage.

Dahim al-Jaber, the headmaster at Mohammed's school, said marriage at such a young age was "inappropriate" but wished the couple a happy life together.
 
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mac1 said:
well, what's newsworthy - didn't we used to do the same type of thing some 500 years ago?
500 years? mybe the starter of this thread could post about some of the marriage practices of certain 'christian' groups in the west over the last few years as well? if he wants to show some classic examples of ignorance, child abuse and religious extreamist belief.
 
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Dunno about Saudi, but in rural areas of India & Pakistan its not uncommon for very young children to be married. After the ceremony they will then return to their parental homes until they reach their early to mid teens.
 

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My western morals (yes I DO have some ;) ) are less offended by two children of similar age marrying than by a girl of 18 marrying a much older man (that said I maintain the right to change my mind when I'm 60 :twisted: ). Actually I think it's rather cute...
 
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Nehustan said:
My western morals (yes I DO have some ;) ) are less offended by two children of similar age marrying than by a girl of 18 marrying a much older man (that said I maintain the right to change my mind when I'm 60 :twisted: ). Actually I think it's rather cute...
There's nothing cute about a ten year old girl forced to have sex.
There's nothing cute about deformities in children due to inbreeding.
There's nothing cute in a little girl's childhood ending aged ten and having to leave her family to wait on her husband's family.
So you are less offended by a ten year old girl marrying a lad her own age than an 18 year old girl marrying a 60 year old man?
How about an old man marrying a 6 year old and raping her when she's an 8 year old? Would that offend you?
 

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actiontoday said:
Nehustan said:
My western morals (yes I DO have some ;) ) are less offended by two children of similar age marrying than by a girl of 18 marrying a much older man (that said I maintain the right to change my mind when I'm 60 :twisted: ). Actually I think it's rather cute...
There's nothing cute about deformities in children due to inbreeding.
So you are less offended by a ten year old girl marrying a lad her own age than an 18 year old girl marrying a 60 year old man?
How about an old man marrying a 6 year old and raping her when she's an 8 year old? Would that offend you?
Very hard to say, I have to say while not wanting my daughter to marry at 6 and have sex at 8 (are you talking about Aisha by the way?), I'd have less problem historically if she had become a woman by that age i.e. the boundary that nature places rather than a more arbitrary criteria. That said a girl entering puberty at 8 is a rare phenomena, are you sure she wasn't nine? I’m not so up on the ages exactly, tho’ I do know she lived with the prophet as part of his family for some years before the marriage was consummated. Personally I have never understood the cross cultural fixation upon virgins; I married a widow.
 

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Actually I disagree, (having a sister in law and brother in law both married to first cousins)...I do think that these two marrying is cute, and like I say I think in the relevant culture it's actually quite a romantic story. Good luck to them I say, I hope their marriage is happy, long, and fruitful...
 
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A romantic story? The child is ten years old and will soon be expected to have sex with her husband and no longer live under the protection of her parents. There is nothing romantic about this.
Inbreeding produces a high level of disabled children. Disability that could easily be avoided and disability that burdens the NHS.
No child has become a woman aged eight.
Aisha was married by your old man prophet at 6 years of age and he had sex with her when she was a little girl of nine years old.
Are you a paedophile yourself or just a paedophile follower?
 

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actiontoday said:
A romantic story? The child is ten years old and will soon be expected to have sex with her husband and no longer live under the protection of her parents. There is nothing romantic about this.
Inbreeding produces a high level of disabled children. Disability that could easily be avoided and disability that burdens the NHS.
No child has become a woman aged eight.
Aisha was married by your old man prophet at 6 years of age and he had sex with her when she was a little girl of nine years old.
Are you a paedophile or just a paedophile follower?
By your definition (tho' obviously not mine) I guess you'd put me in the paedophile follower category. Not one that sits particularly well with me nor fits my grasp on the historicity, but I guess as you're setting the criteria, that's the one I'd fit into.
 
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actiontoday said:
A romantic story? The child is ten years old and will soon be expected to have sex with her husband and no longer live under the protection of her parents. There is nothing romantic about this.
Inbreeding produces a high level of disabled children. Disability that could easily be avoided and disability that burdens the NHS.
No child has become a woman aged eight.
Aisha was married by your old man prophet at 6 years of age and he had sex with her when she was a little girl of nine years old.
Are you a paedophile yourself?

Not sure if you are on about Saudi or any town in the UK?

Get off your soapbox, poindexter.

I cant see much difference to how kids in this country act. The only difference is they dont marry that young, they just drop sprogs alles uber de platz then appear on Jeremy Kyle.
 
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Nehustan said:
By your definition (tho' obviously not mine) I guess you'd put me in the paedophile follower category. Not one that sits particularly well with me nor fits my grasp on the historicity, but I guess as you're setting the criteria, that's the one I'd fit into.
Tabari IX:128 "When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation." This is how it happened: Tabari IX:131 "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."
 
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actiontoday said:
Nehustan said:
By your definition (tho' obviously not mine) I guess you'd put me in the paedophile follower category. Not one that sits particularly well with me nor fits my grasp on the historicity, but I guess as you're setting the criteria, that's the one I'd fit into.
Tabari IX:128 "When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation." This is how it happened: Tabari IX:131 "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."

So why is it catholic priests follow the Koran so closely? 8O
 

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actiontoday said:
Nehustan said:
By your definition (tho' obviously not mine) I guess you'd put me in the paedophile follower category. Not one that sits particularly well with me nor fits my grasp on the historicity, but I guess as you're setting the criteria, that's the one I'd fit into.
Tabari IX:128 "When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation." This is how it happened: Tabari IX:131 "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."
So I can only assume that by that age she had passed through the boundary that nature places between child and woman. I'm guessing of course not having (or needing) information on particular personal biological phenomena. As someone living and brought up in the late 20th century this would obviously tweak my sensibilities, where we have the recent and arbitrary concept of childhood. I have no doubt that in my family tree (in fact NO doubt) that some of my female ancestors would have married at similar ages and in similar circumstances, whether they be the ones from Christendom or the ones from the Levant. To deny such historical occurrences would in effect be to deny my own existence, not something I'm in the mood for this week...
 
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In my life time it was allowed for girls of 14 to marry in Southern Ireland.
It is quite normal for girls to marry young in traditional Farming communities.
I do however think that in the main Western countries got the age of consent right at 16.
john
Oh and just before some silly person wants to make remarks about where I now live, Please believe me get caught screwing around with a girl under 16, honest your feet will not touch.
 
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A girl does not become a woman at nine years old, even if she has "passed through the natural boundry" she's niether fully developed phycically or mentally, I can't believe we are even debating this.
 
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While child marriage is illegal in the United States, at least one religious group - the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, has allegedly practiced child marriage as part of its polygamy. Church leader Warren Jeffs was convicted of being an accomplice to rape of a minor due to this practice.
Polygamy and Mormonism are inseparably entwined. One of the most offensive aspects of Mormon-based polygamy is the rampant practice of taking underage girls as polygamous wives. This is precisely what Brian David Mitchell did when he abducted Elizabeth Smart. In the western United States, there are at least 30,000 people involved in the practice of Mormon-based polygamy. In these polygamous groups, the compulsion for underage girls to marry polygamists--usually men much older than themselves--is a part of everyday life. In these communities, girls as young as 12 or 13 are often married off to priesthood leaders. The most powerful and influential of these priesthood holders have first pick of the girls. Parents of the young girls submit their daughters willingly into these unions with the hope of being blessed by God in their afterlife.
marrying and shagging kids is just a muslim thing is it?
 

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