Maroon is soooo out, sweetie

#1
Just found this in pt1 orders:

7.BERETS. Offrs and AIs are not to wear maroon berets with ACF uniform. The proper insignia for those that have passed the course is the wearing of wings. The appropriate beret for the cap badge is to be worn.
Whilst this is correct in Army Dress Committee rules , I predict that some Teddies, inevitably, will get thrown out of prams over this.

However, what is 'ACF Uniform'?

I thought our uniform was S95, or the uniform of Her Majesty's Armed Forces, to be worn with ACF insignia.

For a quiet life, I'd allow suitably qualified AIs to wear maroon lids. What harm can it do?
 
#3
Also my sector has 27 cap badges, and black, navy blue, AAC sky blue, Rifles green, cypress green, Guards khaki berets and also TOS's and caubeens. So it's not about uniformity?
 
#5
walt_of_the_walts said:
Just found this in pt1 orders:

7.BERETS. Offrs and AIs are not to wear maroon berets with ACF uniform. The proper insignia for those that have passed the course is the wearing of wings. The appropriate beret for the cap badge is to be worn.
I always thought that Para 'wings' were only worn whilst serving with an airborne roled unit - if you have passed the Basic Parachute Course (BPC) but were no longer attached to an airborne unit the 'Light Bulb' badge was worn - as the ACF doesn't have any para trained units should this badge not be worn?
 
#6
No. I think its not about the wings brevet, as 'wings are awarded in perpetuity' it's about the beret. IIRC Only those attached to 5 Abn Bde can wear it

Barrack Room Lawyer said:
walt_of_the_walts said:
Also my sector has 27 cap badges,
What unit are you in? The Wild Geese? :D
It's the junior version: The Stroppy Ducklings, actually :D
 
#7
come on does it really matter? one of my instructers been in the army for 30 years, done p coy served in with the paras all over the place, but we want to tell him hes not allowed to wear his marooon beret ??
 
#8
OMG!!!!!!
Not this old chestnut again??
I thought this had been done to death!
If you have done it Land says you can wear the badge in perpetuity.........my understanding is that unless you are serving with an airborne unit of which the ACF have none (cue dissent!) you cannot wear a maroon beret very much akin to RMP's if not serving not wearing.
 
#9
RoB123 said:
come on does it really matter? one of my instructers been in the army for 30 years, done p coy served in with the paras all over the place, but we want to tell him hes not allowed to wear his marooon beret ??
Is he working for 16AA Bde?
 
#11
QRK2 said:
walt_of_the_walts said:
The appropriate beret for the cap badge is to be worn.
...and the appropriate beret for a Parachute Regiment capbadge is?
Precisely. Any ex-para could just wear his old lid with ParachuteRegiment badge and ACF insignia then. Doesnt say he has to be in a para badged det to do so. Not very careflly worded, but that may have been deliberate on the part of the author.
 
#12
QRK2 said:
walt_of_the_walts said:
The appropriate beret for the cap badge is to be worn.
...and the appropriate beret for a Parachute Regiment capbadge is?
...and the appropriate beret for an adult in a youth movement with a military ethos is?
 
#14
Why would they want to wear their maroon beret anyway besides trying to 'large it' in front of kids? Many ex-Airborne have joined MPGS but I don't see them wearing their maroon lids on stag on the front gates of defence establishments and neither do I hear of them whinging that they should be able to wear it.

Get over it.

Once Airborne - Now chairborne.
 
#15
Fallschirmjager said:
Why would they want to wear their maroon beret anyway besides trying to 'large it' in front of kids? Many ex-Airborne have joined MPGS but I don't see them wearing their maroon lids on stag on the front gates of defence establishments and neither do I hear of them whinging that they should be able to wear it.

Get over it.

Once Airborne - Now chairborne.
Because they are a member of a Parachute Regiment cap badged ACF unit?

I guess that the only reason msr isn't in the ACF is that he knows he'd fail the CRB. he certainly looks more suited to it than a fighting unit.
 
#17
How on earth are we going to get the chavs to take pride in a regiment that does not exist?
You may not be a combat scout master, but have a heart for us sad old has beens that are trying to do the best of a bad job.
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#18
jimmys_best_mate said:
The cadets shouldn't wear current British Army badges anyway. Either give them an ACF/CCF capbadge or affiliated them to regiments that no longer exist.
So those cadets that wear the Mighty White Lanyard (or God Forbid that of the RE) should all sod off then?

I take it by "affiliated them to regiments that no longer exist" that you intended to say "cap-badge them as regiments that are no longer on the roll as regiments in their own right" (eg The Buffs, The East Lancashire Fusiliers etc)?

Seems to be a bit short sighted - how do you instill pride in your local regiment (if they're not a Corps) if you insist that the cadet det can't be badged as "The Rifles" "The Mercians" etc?
 
#19
I saw a mixed group of ACF JNCO's at stirling motorway service station today and they included a bunch of PARA badged cadets with maroon lids but the cap badge had a green plastic backing.
 

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