Maroon Beret

#1
Right guys firstly I'm already in the TA (A COY, 4 LANCS) but I was just wondering what the regs are on a soldier who succesfully passes P COMPANY and is awarded a maroon beret. Now assuming I get the chance to go for my wings in the future. Would I be allowed to wear the maroon beret with the cap badge of The Duke Of Lancaster's Regiment? This is mainly because I'd heard something or other from a gent in AGC mentioning you would only be allowed to wear your wings unless it was part of a corps style regiment (RLC, MP, Royal Engineers and so on and so forth)
 
#3
The Maroon beret is issued not awarded. The wings are awarded.

There's loads of threads on here about badge collecting, have a gander at them using the search button (top right)
 
#5
So what you want to do is go play with the paras for a bit to get your coloured lid, then go back to your home unit and prance around like a div thinking everyone will bow down and pray to you because you have a maroon lid? Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.

If for whatever reason you do end up doing your jumps course (why I'm not sure, in 4 LANCS you're unlikely to need it so there's not much chance of the army coughing up for it), you will probably get told to wear. The fact you say "assuming I get to do it" makes me assume you haven't even got a place booked or anything, it's just a hypothetical question about whether you'll get to cut around your battalion looking hard or not. Personally I'd spend less time worrying about if you get to wear your beret and wings and more time worrying about important issues, you'll likely get further.
 
#6
So what you want to do is go play with the paras for a bit to get your coloured lid, then go back to your home unit and prance around like a div thinking everyone will bow down and pray to you because you have a maroon lid? Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.

If for whatever reason you do end up doing your jumps course (why I'm not sure, in 4 LANCS you're unlikely to need it so there's not much chance of the army coughing up for it), you will probably get told to wear. The fact you say "assuming I get to do it" makes me assume you haven't even got a place booked or anything, it's just a hypothetical question about whether you'll get to cut around your battalion looking hard or not. Personally I'd spend less time worrying about if you get to wear your beret and wings and more time worrying about important issues, you'll likely get further.
Like you did at "Cadets" regarding combat jacket draw cords?

You ******* civilian wretch.
 
#8
Right guys firstly I'm already in the TA (A COY, 4 LANCS) but I was just wondering what the regs are on a soldier who succesfully passes P COMPANY and is awarded a maroon beret. Now assuming I get the chance to go for my wings in the future. Would I be allowed to wear the maroon beret with the cap badge of The Duke Of Lancaster's Regiment? This is mainly because I'd heard something or other from a gent in AGC mentioning you would only be allowed to wear your wings unless it was part of a corps style regiment (RLC, MP, Royal Engineers and so on and so forth)
Technically, it is the 'lighbulb' not wings that you wear as you are not serving in an AB Brigade.

Maroon beret, as above unless you are in a designated PiD that requires you to jump (also, wings can be worn in that instance).

All is clear in QRs on the defence library!
 
#10
Technically, it is the 'lighbulb' not wings that you wear as you are not serving in an AB Brigade.
You only need to serve in a "offence if you refuse to jump PiD" once to wear the wings in perpetuity.

But the beret is only for Paras, general staff ex-Para, or some non-Para PiD on the books of 16AA (and I'm fairly sure there are non-jump PiD on 16AA's books - but somebody here will know). With an agreed exemption for people in ATRA jobs who have just come from 16AA.
 
#12
But the beret is only for Paras, general staff ex-Para, or some non-Para PiD on the books of 16AA (and I'm fairly sure there are non-jump PiD on 16AA's books - but somebody here will know).
Not counting the infantry Bns, most of 16AA Bde is made up of fat hats and even fatter women wearing maroon lids.

The fat *****.
 
#16
You only need to serve in a "offence if you refuse to jump PiD" once to wear the wings in perpetuity.

But the beret is only for Paras, general staff ex-Para, or some non-Para PiD on the books of 16AA (and I'm fairly sure there are non-jump PiD on 16AA's books - but somebody here will know). With an agreed exemption for people in ATRA jobs who have just come from 16AA.
Ref the beret..... Epic fail, no it's not.

It's an issue item.

If you want to talk about a hard earned beret getting awarded and attached ranks wearing a badge on their shoulder you've got the wrong lot.
You're talking about some highly trained soldiers who get awarded a hard earned badge on their shoulder and a beret that they and attached ranks wear.
 
#17
If you want to talk about a hard earned beret getting awarded and attached ranks wearing a badge on their shoulder you've got the wrong lot.
Your reading comprehension is clearly caffeine-deprived this morning. Check blobmeister's comment and my, minor, correction.

You're talking about some highly trained soldiers who get awarded a hard earned badge on their shoulder and a beret that they and attached ranks wear.
As I said - the beret is for Paras, "late-Para Reg" officers, attached and, by exception, ATRA ex-16AA. Which you can wear without having done P-company or jumps course (Para Reg rules may vary - I'm not one.) But if you have done P-Company and the jumps course, regardless of your current employment, you only need to serve in a "must jump" PiD once to wear the wings, in perpetuity, rather than the lightbulb.

A member of my totally-non-jump unit is REME and was ACC-attached. He, correctly, wears the light blue lid (under REME rules - others differ - see the endless arguments about scalies wearing coloured berets once back in normal scalie-land) and para wings (under Army Dress Regs).
 
#18
Ref the beret..... Epic fail, no it's not.

It's an issue item.

If you want to talk about a hard earned beret getting awarded and attached ranks wearing a badge on their shoulder you've got the wrong lot.
You're talking about some highly trained soldiers who get awarded a hard earned badge on their shoulder and a beret that they and attached ranks wear.
You are right. The rules changed in he early nineties (or was it late eighties) for us; letting any ****** who joined 5 AB Bde wear the maroon lid. The Marines have the right idea.
 

The_Duke

LE
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#19
Right guys firstly I'm already in the TA (A COY, 4 LANCS) but I was just wondering what the regs are on a soldier who succesfully passes P COMPANY and is awarded a maroon beret. Now assuming I get the chance to go for my wings in the future. Would I be allowed to wear the maroon beret with the cap badge of The Duke Of Lancaster's Regiment? This is mainly because I'd heard something or other from a gent in AGC mentioning you would only be allowed to wear your wings unless it was part of a corps style regiment (RLC, MP, Royal Engineers and so on and so forth)
Boring, straight bloke answer:

If you manage to get loaded onto TA AAPPS (TA P Coy) and pass, you will have managed to pass an arduous selection course designed to identify people suitable for service in the airborne forces - that is all. It will not change the dress policy in 4 Lancs, and the RSM will not suddenly develop a taste for different forms of head dress on his parades.

Whilst in 4 Lancs you do not have a snowballs chance in hell of getting loaded onto the basic para course (once, let alone the number of times it often takes people to pass given the problems with aircraft availability and weather etc).

If you want a maroon beret and wings, apply to transfer to a unit with an airborne role.
 
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Zarathustra

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#20
So what you want to do is go play with the paras for a bit to get your coloured lid, then go back to your home unit and prance around like a div thinking everyone will bow down and pray to you because you have a maroon lid? Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.

If for whatever reason you do end up doing your jumps course (why I'm not sure, in 4 LANCS you're unlikely to need it so there's not much chance of the army coughing up for it), you will probably get told to wear. The fact you say "assuming I get to do it" makes me assume you haven't even got a place booked or anything, it's just a hypothetical question about whether you'll get to cut around your battalion looking hard or not. Personally I'd spend less time worrying about if you get to wear your beret and wings and more time worrying about important issues, you'll likely get further.
Could spend his time boring people with tales of how he fell off a mountain once whilst adventure training, or how he makes a wedge putting up stages.
 

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