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Marksmanship Principles

#1
Hi guys.

I have been asked to give a lesson on the marksmanship principles next week and just wondering if someone can give me any tips/help/advice on how to make it a good lesson and any ideas on what to do?

It's for nothing other than a refresher for the lads in the troop but i still want to make it good and put some effort in.

Any help would be appreciated thanks.
 
#4
I agree with Darkninja, people have qualifications for a reason. Teach something you're not qualified in, have someone **** up, then see who's fault it is.
 
#5
Do you really need a SAA geek to do a quick revise and remind on Marksmanship doesn't really need a SAA qualified bloke, its the sort of thing we used to get the JNCOs to do at the back of the range as a pocket lesson.

The best one I have ever seen was done in the bar with the use of a young lady, very un PC but with a Beer in hand it just seemed to stick for some reason
 
#6
I'm not SAA or even army BIT trained, but as a civvie teacher, I consider any good lesson must have the following formula embedded in it:
1) sharing of the lesson objectives and success criteria. eg: by the end of this lesson you will know/be able to...
2) a brief lesson outline. eg. basic timings and review points
3) Initial Stimulus Material (often called a 'starter') - something interested and connected with what you're going to do, I don't know - work out how much of the 3rd Soviet shock army you would have had to face with/without good SAA drills, or paors to come up with a principle to share with everyone, anything.
4) Regular mini reviews after each task - if you've ever watched 'Dora the Explorer', it is a great example of this.
5) Short tasks, broken down into appropriate chunks, modelled (demonstrated) by you/your assistant, then attempted by them
6) If appropriate/desirable an extended task, bringing all the lesson's skills/knowledge into play and building on previous skills/knowledge
7) a 'Plenary' - or overall review of what you've done and why

No doubt this isn't precisely how it tells you to do it in the PAM or whatever, and isn't in 'Armyspeak' but learing has been done in this form since Hippocrates was a nipper.
 
#7
Waitout: The best one I have ever seen was done in the bar with the use of a young lady, very un PC but with a Beer in hand it just seemed to stick for some reason

Is that the best you have seen? I think the word I was looking for was proffessionalism but yours is so much better!
 
#8
We all know the DITs format is rubbish Shandy but the army seem to like it.

I did my dit's on month, the next month I was on another instructor course and was told to forget it.
 
#9
We all know the DITs format is rubbish Shandy but the army seem to like it.

I did my dit's on month, the next month I was on another instructor course and was told to forget it.
well, its one saving grace is perhaps its simplicity?
TBH - I am well out of touch, as I left in '02 - I never heard of DIT, only BIT - I take it to be the same thing, different acronym?
However, I think the points I went through above stand scrutiny in any learning environment.
 
#10
I've a mate who also uses the un PC/female method...very memorable but has resulted in more than one interview without tea and biscuits.
 
#11
TBH - I am well out of touch, as I left in '02 - I never heard of DIT, only BIT - I take it to be the same thing, different acronym?
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It became "Defence" Instructional Techniques, just as Service Writing became Defence Writing, Systems Approach to Training became DSAT & so on...

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#12
Just make the lesson as practical as you can. Its one thing to write them up on the board and get them to learn it word for word, another to actually get them into different firing positions to simulate how the principles are to be applied.
 
#13
I'd rather a skilly was doing it but we all got dicked with a subject to do a lesson on and i was given marksmanship principles.

Got the Pam so should be pretty straightforward.

Thanks for the replies
 
#14
Just remember KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid! Its a very basic lesson so keep the core lesson simple, add humour and practical exercises to make it interesting and memorable.
 
#15
Surely if he doesn't know them, he shouldn't be teaching/revising or saying anything about them?

But if all blokes, I have used the having a pee as an example (humour)
 
#16
It's a pretty dull lesson tbh. Not much you can do with it unless you're a pti and can dish out press ups if they get it wrong.

Possibly the best lesson ever taught to me was:

"Marksmanship principles. Handy on the range, **** all use in the real world."
 
#17
I have been asked to give a lesson on the marksmanship principles next week and just wondering if someone can give me any tips/help/advice on how to make it a good lesson and any ideas on what to do?
dwills, he didn't say he doesn't know what they are, just looking for tips on how to do it well.

Any roads, I like the idea of having a piss as an analogy, but I'm also curious on what the lady in a bar/ pint scenario is, if anyone would care to elaborate?
 
#18
I am a skilly and I say do it, its not actually a SAA lesson as such, as in its not covered in PAM 5 as a lesson

Some people get very **** about who teaches what, you only really need a SAA instructor for when it comes to WHTs and I would advise using one if recruits are involved, quality control and all that.

The Skillies course only really gives you the advised format on how to do a SAA lesson, 95% of which is drills based. The Marksmanship principles is a skill EVERYONE must have and be able to pass on to others

if you are doing it I would shy away from just delivering a cold PPT lesson, if you can get the rifles out, get your hands on some small targets ( I have electronic copies PM, me with your email addy and I will send them to you to print up) and go through the the pricinples once in theory and then get them on thier belt buckles and take them through it again. I dont adhere to the parrott fashion method of remembering them as long as they can apply them in real life. I would also, time permitting, talk through breathing and buliding up a position

Remember

- Leg position.
- Magazine Support.
- Butt position.
- Left hand support.
- Right hand grip.
- Head position.
- Breathing.
 
#19
I am a skilly and I say do it, its not actually a SAA lesson as such, as in its not covered in PAM 5 as a lesson.......
Then what are Rifle 5 & 6 all about?

"It is essential that you are capable of firing your rifle accurately and instinctively under battle conditions. This can best be achieved if you understand and apply the following marksmanship principles:"
 
#20
Rifle Lesson Lesson 5 and 6 utilise the Marksmanship Principles not teach as such as they adhere to all weapons.

Its not entirely clear from PAM 5 when they are taught, you have quoted PAM 5 but missed the bit immediately before it

"Explain (remind the marksmanship principles using questions if previously taught):"

Its part of the introduction not part of the lesson body, yes I agree this is an opportune time to teach the subject as part of a recruits curriculum, time permitting.

All I am saying is not to get blindsided by the Skilly Qual to teach this part, however I would say that if a non skilly is teaching it they should at least check up on the lesson ensuring the correct details are taught in an efficient manner. within my unit I leave this up to the coaches on the shooting team as I feel they are in a better position to provide decent advice
 

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