Marines Special Forces Dropped Behind Taliban Lines

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Excuse my pride showing a bit but this involved my former unit so I had to post it.



Marines Dropped Behind Taliban Lines

MARJAH, Afghanistan --- Elite Marine recon teams were dropped behind Taliban lines by helicopter Friday as the U.S.-led force stepped up operations to break resistance in the besieged insurgent stronghold of Marjah.

About two dozen Marines were inserted before dawn into an area where skilled Taliban marksmen are known to operate, an officer said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of security concerns.

Other squads of Marines and Afghan forces began marching south in a bid to link up with Marine outposts there, meticulously searching compounds on the way. The 7-day-old Marjah offensive is the biggest since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan and a test of President Obama's strategy for reversing the rise of the Taliban while protecting civilians.

Several residents interviewed said some Taliban fighters in the area were non-Afghan.

"Some of them are from here. Some are from Pakistan. Some are from other countries, but they don't let us come close to them so I don't know where they are from," said poppy farmer Mohammad Jan, 35, a father of four.

A NATO statement said troops are still meeting "some resistance" by insurgents who engage them in firefights, but homemade bombs remain the key threat to allied and Afghan forces.

Six coalition troops were killed Thursday, NATO said, making it the deadliest day since the offensive began. The death toll so far is 11 NATO troops and one Afghan soldier. Britain's Defense Ministry said two British soldiers were among those killed Thursday.

No precise figures on Taliban deaths have been released, but senior Marine officers say intelligence reports suggest more than 120 have died. The officers spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information.

U.S. and Afghan troops encountered skilled sharpshooters and better-fortified Taliban positions Thursday, indicating that insurgent resistance in their logistics and opium-smuggling center was far from crushed.

A Marine general said Thursday that U.S. and Afghan allied forces control the main roads and markets in town, but fighting has raged elsewhere in the southern farming town. A British general said he expected it would take another month to secure area.

Brig. Gen. Larry Nicholson, commander of U.S. Marines in Marjah, told The Associated Press that allied forces have taken control of the main roads, bridges and government centers in the town of 80,000 people about 360 miles (610 kilometers) southwest of Kabul.

"I'd say we control the spine" of the town, Nicholson said as he inspected the Marines' front line in the north of the dusty, mud-brick town. "We're where we want to be."

Throughout Thursday, U.S. Marines pummeled insurgents with mortars, sniper fire and missiles as gunbattles intensified. Taliban fighters fired back with rocket-propelled grenades and rifles, some of the fire far more accurate than Marines have faced in other Afghan battles.

The increasingly accurate sniper fire --- and strong intelligence on possible suicide bomb threats --- indicated that insurgents from outside Marjah are still operating within the town, Nicholson said.

Under NATO's "clear, hold, build" strategy, the allies plan to secure the area and then rush in a civilian Afghan administration, restore public services and pour in aid to try to win the loyalty of the population in preventing the Taliban from returning.

But stubborn Taliban resistance, coupled with restrictive rules on allies' use of heavy weaponry when civilians may be at risk, have slowed the advance through the town.

British Maj. Gen. Nick Carter, NATO commander in southern Afghanistan, told reporters in Washington via a video hookup that he expects it could take another 30 days to secure Marjah.

NATO has given no figures on civilian deaths since a count of 15 earlier in the offensive. Afghan rights groups have reported 19 dead. Since those figures were given, much of the fighting has shifted away from the heavily built-up area where most civilians live.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has repeatedly criticized the use of airstrikes and other long-range weaponry because of the risk to civilians. Twelve of the 15 deaths reported by NATO happened when two rockets hit a home on Sunday.

Also Thursday, a NATO airstrike in northern Afghanistan missed a group of insurgents and killed seven Afghan policemen, the Interior Ministry said. A NATO statement acknowledged the report and said it and the ministry were investigating.

In eastern Afghanistan, eight Afghan policemen defected to the Taliban, according to Mirza Khan, the deputy provincial police chief.

The policemen abandoned their posts in central Wardak province's Chak district and joined the militants there, he said. One of them had previous ties to the Taliban, he said, but would not elaborate.

"These policemen came on their own and told us they want to join with the Taliban. Now they are with us," Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Muhajid said.
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Also of interest is the fact that Ospreys were used and that 3 were reported to have the new BAE Remote Guardian Gun system. Linky

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The Osprey has been in use here for a long time now - the noisy feckers fly over my office many times a day :evil:

They're not being used too much for Marjeh though as the distance from Bastion/Leatherneck is not great enough to warrant their superior speed.
 

Andy_S

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The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
 
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Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
The huge impact of the German hearts and minds initive during Stalingrad is largely ignored and underrated..... :roll:

cretin.
 

chrisg46

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chocolate_frog said:
Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
The huge impact of the German hearts and minds initive during Stalingrad is largely ignored and underrated..... :roll:

cretin.
I believe the Russki's had slightly less restrictive RoE as welll
 
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Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
What kind of a comparison is that? It only took a nano second to clear Hiroshima of those pesky Nips - that doesn't make an A-Bomb the weapon of choice in Marjeh.

On the other hand.............
 
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Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
It only took the Brits and the Prussians 1 day to clear Waterloo. Your point?
 
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rickshaw-major said:
Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
It only took the Brits and the Prussians 1 day to clear Waterloo. Your point?
but it took britain only 38 minutes to win the war against Zanzibar so the afghan war should be well over by now like
 
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Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
I dont think Zhukov had the same ROE regarding Civvies on the Battlefield......

Otherwise 6-10 Thermobaric bombs would have the job done
 
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Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
Thanks for posting that. The many and varied putdowns you just received have given me plenty to chuckle at (although given that my bladder is currently full that could be dangerous). I particularly liked the commentary on German hearts and minds.
 
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BrunoNoMedals said:
Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
Thanks for posting that. The many and varied putdowns you just received have given me plenty to chuckle at (although given that my bladder is currently full that could be dangerous). I particularly liked the commentary on German hearts and minds.
Indeed--yet another reminder of why I spend time on these august fora. I think Andy led with his chin a bit on his observation.
 
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Goldbricker said:
Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
I dont think Zhukov had the same ROE regarding Civvies on the Battlefield......

Otherwise 6-10 Thermobaric bombs would have the job done
You mean like this - buratino
 

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Andy_S said:
The Taliban have "lines"? That ought to make things easier, then.

30 days to secure Marjah seems a bit cautious, given the thousands of Jarheads, massive air power and other force being deployed; after all, Zhukov's offensive cleared the entire Sixth Army from Stalingrad in 77 days. How big is Marjah?
According to that paragon of accuracy, Wiki:

"According to archival figures, the Red Army suffered a total of 1,129,619 total casualties;[53] 478,741 men killed or missing and 650,878 wounded.

According to Soviet sources, the Axis lost 1.5 million killed, wounded or captured in the whole Stalingrad area."

[sarcasm]
I'm not sure of the latest figurs of serving personnel in the 'stan. Do we have that many in-country?

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Andy_S

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Stalingrad: The most horrific FIBUA in modern history in which an entire German Army was annihilated.
Marjah: A clearing operation in an Afghan town, in the biggest combined operation of the Afghan War, against "some Taliban operatives."

Regardless of the differences between conventional and COIN ops...the time being mooted to secure this piece of territory seems cautious given the force imbalance, size of area, restistance mounted, etc, etc.

Furthermore, let me add - but hist!

What is today's news?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/27/AR2010022700913.html

Lo and behold - Marjah has fallen, though "intermittent attacks" may continue for for another two weeks.

So congrats to the Jarheads.

RE: Hack in Lid
Black coal scuttle + blond hair = Lead me to my panzer, handsome.

Regardless of the above, am most happy to have kept the forum amused. (Andy_S bows, exits stage left)
 

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