Marine death sparks fears of incurable new superbug

#1
I know that yannie posted this (or attempted to) but i feel it deserves some real debate.

This is a horrible way to go, but really there was no way that it could have been stopped.

Fears that a new superbug is taking hold in Britain emerged yesterday after a Royal Marines recruit was found to have died suddenly from an infection with no known cure.

Richard Campbell-Smith, 18, died three days after the lethal toxin, which is linked to MRSA, entered his body through a scratch in his leg.

Panton-Valentine Leukocidin (PVL) is so virulent that only a quarter of people in whom the infection spreads to the chest survive.

The coroner investigating Mr Campbell-Smith's death was so worried about an outbreak that she is writing to the chief medical officer.

An expert told the Exeter inquest that she had seen two examples in nine weeks and wanted to alert the public and doctors to the dangers of the disease, which has been recorded in America, France and Australia.

Dr Marina Morgan, a microbiologist, said: "It is the worst bug I have seen and people really need to know about it. It is untreatable."

Mr Campbell-Smith was 28 weeks into his 32-week induction at the Commando Training Centre, at Lympstone, Devon, when he died.

He and other recruits had spent the week in rigorous exercise and he scratched his legs while running on Oct 31 last year. He was admitted to the centre's medical unit that day after complaining of feeling unwell and cold.

Three days later he was found collapsed on the floor beside his bed in the early hours. He was taken to the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital where he died shortly afterwards.

A post-mortem examination showed heart and respiratory failure but traces of PVL were later found in his body.

The inquest heard that he had contracted an ordinary bacterium, staphylococcus, that would usually produce only a little pus in a cut. But the bug developed into PVL.

PVL is lethal because it kills off white blood cells, leaving the victim unable to fight the infection.

Dr Morgan said it was thought the disease had been eradicated in the 1950s but it could be coming back as antibiotics lost their effectiveness because of overuse.

She said it usually attacked people under 40 and often occurred alongside MRSA.

"It multiplies very quickly: one bug will multiply into 17 million within 24 hours.

"Signs include pneumonia, coughing up blood and very high temperatures but not everyone will look for it. Testing is very complicated because samples have to be sent to London."

Dr Elizabeth Earlan, the coroner, said: "I am going to make a recommendation to the chief medical officer that he disseminate information to all doctors, updating them on likely symptoms."

The Department of Health said it was aware of cases of PVL and the Health Protection Agency was monitoring the situation.

Surgeon Lt-Cdr Alistair Allsop, based at Lympstone, said that everybody had been shocked by the soldier's death.

"He was a nice, likeable recruit," he said.

Verdict: accidental death.
article from Torygraph

In my view, the main reasons for the return of infections such as TB and HIV/AIDs and the emergence of new diseases such as MRSA and VISA, include poor hospital hygiene, over-prescription of anti-biotics, in-apporpriate administration of antibiotics (ie not finishing a course) and the laxidazical attitude of the biotech sector in regards to the need for new anti-microbials.

In order to over come these problems, we must address all of these point and not just one or two, other wise the infections WILL overcome us.

Conversely, it could be viewed that this is one of natures way's of controlling our number and improving the strength of the human race (in terms of survival of the fittest)
 
#2
It's nothing new if you think about it.
It's just a step back in time, to before the "God's Bullet" of antibiotics.
So you will learn again to keep wounds clean and attend to your hygiene.
Maybe the boffins will come up with something new, maybe the current top flight of anti-biotics will stave off the worst for another couple of decades, but they'll evetually go the same way no matter how careful we are.

Maybe it'll solve the much lamented welfare problem. The poor are generally less resistant to infection due to lifestyle/diet.
 
#3
A bit of plagiarism here but thought it made interesting reading. According to today's Mail it isn't anything new (like BB said):

The toxin Panton-Valentine Leukocidin was around in the 1930s and may also have been responsible for influenza deaths in the First World War.
Experts thought it had been eradicated by the 1950s. But it now has returned - and can combine with MRSA to produce an even more deadly strain of the bug. cases have been reported in America, France, Australia and now Britain.
When the toxin enters the body it starts to attack white bloods cells, which normally fight infections. Thus th body is prevented from healing itself.
Symptoms include pneumonia, coughing up blood and high tempatures but the only facility for testing is in London.

Bacteria causing PVL can generate very quickly - one bug can multiply into 17 million within 24 hours. There is only a 25% survivial rate when the infection spreads to the chest.
Not only is the statistics in how fast it can spread and the likelihood of survival frightening but also worringly is how seemingly obscure it got here in the first place. We should be secure in the knowledge that this country has at least beaten it twice already but how can we rely on the same national medical services (nhs) that 'conveys' the MRSA bug as it is?

What a waste of a young potential life :roll:
 
#4
Who privatised hospital cleaning ( sorry tendered it out ) to the lowest bidder ?

Who encouraged her farmer mates to fill cows full of antibiotics to improve milk and meat yeilds ?

Who created a underclass of homeless people who dont wash properly, who act as resevoirs for MRSA, TB and a dozen other bugs ?

Maggie Thatcher

Who will never be held to account for these or any of her other crimes ?

Ditto
 
#5
Not nice,

Woodbury common has always been honking.

Anyone who has been at CTC for any time will remember the joys of woodbury rash and other ailments

I was hospitalised and on IV antibiotics with a Knee the size of a watermelon, (two days before my final exercise)
The cause..... Breaking the skin on my knees while crawling through the tunnels and getting some nasty bug in my knee joint

laid up for a week then slackers duties for a week.
 
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#6
Agent_Smith said:
I know that yannie posted this (or attempted to) but i feel it deserves some real debate.

This is a horrible way to go, but really there was no way that it could have been stopped.


In my view, the main reasons for the return of infections such as TB and HIV/AIDs and the emergence of new diseases such as MRSA and VISA, include poor hospital hygiene, over-prescription of anti-biotics, in-apporpriate administration of antibiotics (ie not finishing a course) and the laxidazical attitude of the biotech sector in regards to the need for new anti-microbials.

In order to over come these problems, we must address all of these point and not just one or two, other wise the infections WILL overcome us.

Conversely, it could be viewed that this is one of natures way's of controlling our number and improving the strength of the human race (in terms of survival of the fittest)
Firstly, my condolences to the family of this young Marine.

Its quite shocking that the Vets Surgery that I took my cat to on Saturday was cleaner than the hospital my Nan is currently recovering in after major surgery. I was appalled at the state of the place with the same shit and dirt on the floor that was there on my previous visit. I was tempted to grab a mop and bucket myself

We have co-existed with bugs for thousands of years - it seems that in the last 50 we've been fscking about with the balance of things and forgeting the basics of hygene
 
#7
The cause of these "super-bugs" is multiple......poor hygiene in our hospitals, visitors not washing their hands and having poor hygiene, over use of antibiotics, improper use of antibiotics, not finishing the course of antibiotics, use of antibiotics by the farming industry to safeguard their bloody cattle......and the US allowing any fecker to buy antibiotics over the counter....I'll stop there folks.

What is needed is cleaner hospitals, controlled use of antibiotics and fecking farmers not being given the sodding stuff
 
#8
It is unlikely that the administration of antibiotics and other pharmaceuticals to animals will be stopped - there are too many vested interests. The farms employing the worst of the intensive farming methods tend to be either part of big companies or reliant upon supermarkets and food processors. Will the government act? Not whilst the owners of supermarkets and food processing companies are amongst the biggest donors to Labour, and are appointed to unelected positions of power in government.
 
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#9
dui-lai said:
The cause of these "super-bugs" is multiple......poor hygiene in our hospitals, visitors not washing their hands and having poor hygiene, over use of antibiotics, improper use of antibiotics, not finishing the course of antibiotics, use of antibiotics by the farming industry to safeguard their bloody cattle......and the US allowing any fecker to buy antibiotics over the counter....I'll stop there folks.

What is needed is cleaner hospitals, controlled use of antibiotics and fecking farmers not being given the sodding stuff
When I was a kid, if I cut myself whilst climbing trees or the usual kids stuff, the wound would always go septic and pus up. I can't remember the last time this happened. I still cut and puncture myself but I guess the background dose of anti bio's we pick up from our food medicates against this. Frightening. 8O
 

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#10
thegimp said:
I was hospitalised and on IV antibiotics with a Knee the size of a watermelon, (two days before my final exercise)
The cause..... Breaking the skin on my knees while crawling through the tunnels and getting some nasty bug in my knee joint

laid up for a week then slackers duties for a week.
Did yah pass?
 
#11
Who privatised hospital cleaning ( sorry tendered it out ) to the lowest bidder ?
People, voters, who wanted the the NHS to be more business like and waste less of their taxes

Who encouraged her farmer mates to fill cows full of antibiotics to improve milk and meat yeilds ?
People, voters and consumers who wanted supermarket food and didn't give a toss what country it came from or what it was fed on as long as it was cheap.

Who created a underclass of homeless people who dont wash properly, who act as resevoirs for MRSA, TB and a dozen other bugs ?
Whatever God you believe in, 'cos there's been people like that since we were all living in caves and ugg-ing at Raquel Welch.


Don't blame anyone for anything till you've had a really good look in the mirror.
 
#12
mussolini93 said:
Who created a underclass of homeless people who dont wash properly, who act as resevoirs for MRSA,
Everyone has MRSA, or at least Staph Aureaus naturally on their skin. It only becomes a problem when you get a cut and a compromised immune system.

Impetigo is caused by SA, hence the golden/straw coloured discharge, however when it hits other parts of the body as an antibiotic resistant strain it's a major problem

Hospitals do provide alcohol wash dispensers, but enforcing their use isn't something the nursing staff have time, really, to do.

What needs to happen, as other posters have said, is the proper adminstration of antibiotics. Currently they seem to be used as a cure-all for any little sniffle, rather than letting the body sort itself out. All it needs is one colony of bacterium to survive the antibiotics and an immunity may be developed. I work in a pharmacy occasionally, the number of people who return antibiotics with the phrase "The symptoms went away so I don't need to take anymore", it's scary.

Finally, all that aside, condolences to the family of this RM recruit.
 
#13
mussolini93 said:
Who privatised hospital cleaning ( sorry tendered it out ) to the lowest bidder ?

Who encouraged her farmer mates to fill cows full of antibiotics to improve milk and meat yeilds ?

Who created a underclass of homeless people who dont wash properly, who act as resevoirs for MRSA, TB and a dozen other bugs ?

Maggie Thatcher

Who will never be held to account for these or any of her other crimes ?

Ditto
Nothing to do with the people running the system then? I hear lots of stories about dirty hospitals etc. What I don't hear is the workers saying they haven't got the tools. (I'm prepared to be beaten up on this because I don't have much to do with the NHS so could be well out of order)

Farmers were pumping up their animals long before Maggie came to power. Her government is responsible for doing sod all about it though.

No underclass before Thatcher then?

Sincerest condolences to the family of the young bootie but let's not blame Maggie for everything that's going wrong in the country today.
 

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