Margaret Moran expenses trial: Jury considers verdict

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BBC News - Margaret Moran expenses trial: Jury considers verdict

Margaret Moran, former MP for Luton South, is accused of 15 counts of false accounting and six counts of using a false instrument over the claims.

It is alleged Mrs Moran claimed £22,500 to treat dry rot at her Southampton home, but spent it on "home improvements".

She is being tried in her absence, at London's Southwark Crown Court.

The 57-year-old, who served as Luton South MP between 1997 and 2010, was deemed unfit to stand trial due to mental health issues.

'Flipped her homes'

Therefore, rather than finding her guilty, jurors have instead to decide whether Mrs Moran actually committed the offences with which she is charged.

The prosecution has told the court she "abused the scheme", going as far as to re-submit expenses claims with different descriptions and supportive invoices, if they were initially rejected by parliamentary authorities.

Mrs Moran, of Ivy Road, St Denys, Southampton, is accused of falsely claiming about £60,000 in parliamentary expenses between 2004 and 2008, of which she received £53,000.

The court heard she was able to make the dry rot claim by "flipping" her two homes - changing which property was her second home and therefore allowing her to claim expenses on it.

'Claimed for cards'

She also allegedly changed dates on invoices for the work so that money would be paid.

One invoice - for £14,805 - was apparently for boiler repairs and work on her conservatory in her constituency home in Luton, when it was actually spent on her house in Southampton, the court heard.

Mrs Moran also tried to claim £47 for printing 50 Christmas cards, but was told greetings cards were not covered by Parliamentary expenses, the court heard.

James Sturman QC, defending, said the case represented "a very, very unhappy period for British democracy". Mrs Moran is the final MP to face criminal charges following the expenses scandal.
It seems the creature who suddenly decided when caught breaking the law it caused her health problems when she thought about it is now about to be given a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again.

I wonder what would happen if I stole a large chunk of money then decided I didn't feel well when I talked about it, would I get to avoid going to court in person?
 

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BBC News - Margaret Moran expenses trial: Jury considers verdict



It seems the creature who suddenly decided when caught breaking the law it caused her health problems when she thought about it is now about to be given a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again.

I wonder what would happen if I stole a large chunk of money then decided I didn't feel well when I talked about it, would I get to avoid going to court in person?
It worked for that nice Mr Guinness, a few yeards ago.

Ms M was at least charged, and prosecuted. The vast, vast majorit yof fiddling MPs and Lords were not. Scapegoat? Surely not...
 
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Therefore, rather than finding her guilty, jurors have instead to decide whether Mrs Moran actually committed the offences with which she is charged.
Would them finding that she actually committed the offences not be tantamount to finding the odious wench guilty?

Maybe she can't be convicted due to her 'illness' but she'd still be guilty.
 

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£168,000 in one year?? On what?
 
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Like a para smock?
 
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It worked for that nice Mr Guinness, a few yeards ago.

Ms M was at least charged, and prosecuted. The vast, vast majorit yof fiddling MPs and Lords were not. Scapegoat? Surely not...
Still, consequences for any are to be welcomed.

Surely more just to nail a few rather than let them all off because it's more "fair", seeing as you haven't done them all for it?

Don't be an apologist for gross dishonesty and criminality...
 

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It worked for that nice Mr Guinness, a few yeards ago.

Ms M was at least charged, and prosecuted. The vast, vast majorit yof fiddling MPs and Lords were not. Scapegoat? Surely not...
That nice Mr Saunders. Guinness was the company. Saunders got 5 years for share fraud. Released after 10 months when he convinced the judge he had incurable Alzheimers. Six months after release he was addressing the CBI. He went on to be a highly paid consultant in the UK & USA.

Odds on Ms Moran finding a similar miracle cure when she steps out of court a free woman? If you can find a bookie to take that bet I have a bridge for sale.
 
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Odds on Ms Moran finding a similar miracle cure when she steps out of court a free woman? If you can find a bookie to take that bet I have a bridge for sale.
Which dovetails nicely with my question, above.

How will she stand if, by some miracle, she 'recovers' and has been found guilty of fraud?
 

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Which dovetails nicely with my question, above.

How will she stand if, by some miracle, she 'recovers' and has been found guilty of fraud?
Assuming she has been sentenced then recovers they cant touch her I believe. Nobody told Ernest Saunders to get back in nick when he 'recovered'. If she had nicked £168,000 from the Post Office she would be looking at ten years.
 
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Assuming she has been sentenced then recovers they cant touch her I believe. Nobody told Ernest Saunders to get back in nick when he 'recovered'. If she had nicked £168,000 from the Post Office she would be looking at ten years.
But she won't be sentenced due to her illness, just found guilty.
 
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Many, many years ago just after leaving school and working in a joinery shop I was accused of taking a sandwich from the canteen. I didn't and denied it, but the company got the police involved.
Basically I was co-erced into admitting it and receiving a caution. I was not represented nor offered same, I did not take it and reading such as this really rankles..........us and them!
 

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Is it not the thought of going to prison that's making her ill? Simple, send her to Broadmoor, it's not a prison per se, it's a hospital so she can recieve all the medical help she requires to make her better. Also, while she's there, hook her up to an electro shock machine and zap her once for every pound she's defrauded, small charge but enough to make it painful ^^
 
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It's amazing how commoners are fit to go to court no matter how mad they are.
Indeed. It's amazing how much society is becoming more stratified with the creation of a new political elite.
 
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Indeed. It's amazing how much society is becoming more stratified with the creation of a new political elite.
What's more depressing is my reaction. "MP defrauds public of six figure sum and walks away smiling". Yeah, what's for tea? The rage I felt at the expenses scandal a couple of years ago has subsided into resignation that we have been shafted again, and this wont be the last time.
 
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What's more depressing is my reaction. "MP defrauds public of six figure sum and walks away smiling". Yeah, what's for tea? The rage I felt at the expenses scandal a couple of years ago has subsided into resignation that we have been shafted again, and this wont be the last time.
I share your despair.
 

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