Marcus TEXAS SEAL Luttrels Lone Survivor

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  1. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    Lone Survivor
    http://www.amazon.com/Lone-Survivor-Eyewitness-Account-Operation/dp/0316067598

    You tube of the author: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwdSeegNldc

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    OK, I first heard about this story from a US army friend and thought it sounded a little far fetched, that was a couple of years ago or so, on ARRSE I came across a YouTube NRA video of Markus Luttrell ranting on about Texas but was interested enough to get the book.

    The story, in essence, is a small SEAL team gets compromised and tries to run away, out numbered something like 100:1 comms are down, the rescue party get their helo shot down (16 deaths) and the author is left on his own.

    It is worth reading.

    However…

    You will have to put up with America is the best, Texas is the best, SEALS are the best, my buddies are the best. Democrats are scum, CNN is scum, Al Jazerra is scum, Afghans are scum, Texas is the best etc and perhaps the most stupid thing I have ever heard from a military person “Rules Of Engagement killed my buddies..”. Presumably not the command decision to send 4 men into observe 400 or when bumped to only move 1.5km down the track to another hide then…

    For those readers who enjoy the SF books reading this will be an eye opener for the quality of the SEALs. For those who enjoy reading about Afghanistan, it’s a very interesting book in its own way.
     
  2. It's a bit shite at the beginning with all the guff about wresslin 'gators and what an all American boy he is, but once it got to the actual incident, it improved a lot.
     
  3. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    yeah i would agree with that, it isnt the quickest start, and SEAL school is an eye opener.

    SEALS tough? I've sh*t bigger.

    Of particular note I have two examples:

    1. He joined the USN, and 8 weeks later for his specialisation he went to pre-BUDS. So his entire military experience when he joined the SEALS active was 8 weeks USN recruits couse, pre-BUDS and BUDS. Lo and behold, he's a sgt about 2 years later.

    2. In BUDS they have to the take the dingy to the rocks where there are these massive breakers and you have to climb out and haul the boat out. Sounds really tough. Except there is a photo of these "massive breakers" and lets just say, the sea must look really big to a texas boy.
     
  4. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    On the ROE bit, essentially a couple of shephards and a wood cutter discovered the team’s hiding place. They then voted on whether or not to kill them before opting instead to follow the ROE. The lone survivor points at this defining moment as the reason all his team died and blames ROE and the politicians for it. He actually writes “soldiers know when to fire and when not to, we don’t need ROE handed down from Washington to tell us, all they do is get us killed”.

    Scary huh! Special Forces? Special Needs more like.
     
  5. its always the shepherd's you have to watch out for!!

    how many SF teams have the bumped now!!
     
  6. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    Sod the shepherds, if I had a pound for everytime I heard a sheep cough and thought it was an en ptrl on exercise...
     
  7. old_fat_and_hairy

    old_fat_and_hairy LE Book Reviewer Reviews Editor

    Sheep are never your enemy. More like a warm and loving friend.
     
  8. Just in case anyone didn't get the reference, that was "McNab's" account...

    I've always wondered how feasible it would actually be to dump everything except belt order and weapon and run like f***. I've always thought that if you were in line of sight and less than 500m it would only be a matter of time before you were hit, but I suppose excitable people, chaos (some trying to deliberately aim while there pals give chase and get in the way), poor marksmanship, you're moving......

    The advice for getting away from people who are trying to catch you is go uphill, other things being equal, because people are lazy and differences in fitness are most stark going uphill. If they wanted to kill you presumably downhill is better - you need the distance.

    If you were 4kph faster you'd gain 500m in seven and a half minutes - a bloody long seven and a half, I'd imagine. Horrible. Worse nightmare, being caught by (sod being PC) barbarians.
     
  9. Maybe E & E course should be run by shepherds, if they seem to be the only ones catching special forces
     
  10. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    In his case he wasn't caught, he was taken in by a village using the "protection of strangers" pashtun rule. So the Taliban hung around the outside of the village for a few days whilst the elder told them to Foxtrot Oscar,

    Taliban "give us the american we want to kill him on you tube"
    Village elder "foxtrot oscar"
    Taliban "give us the american or we will kill you"
    Village elder "foxtrot oscar"
    Taliban "give us the american or we will kill you and your family and your goats"
    Village elder "foxtrot oscar"

    they then escorted him away where they bumped into a Ranger Patrol who was looking for him and apprently had eyes-on the village.

    Apparently at one stage the taliban got into the village and knowing that they couldn't offend the tribe by killing the SEAL decided to just torture him a bit. He reciprocated by explaining how they should look into his laser range-finder as if it was a camera..
     
  11. What must the selection for "One man and his dog" be like then? Those blokes are seriously good after all!

    Those sheep-like coughs in the night, are you sure they really were sheep?

    Who shears, wins!
     
  12. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    All "one man and their dogs" are ex-49 Para. Even the dogs.
     
  13. You ever heard a deer bark when out in the woods at night?
    Sounds convincigly like a very big German Sheperd, convicing enough to make your arse nip a little.
     
  14. Mr Happy

    Mr Happy LE Moderator

    Cows too, those f*cking bells... sounds like a herd of cows or something!
     
  15. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    Cows cough like a smoker and also seem to like to lick cam cream of faces!
    Deer on the other hand bark like mad dogs apart from Sika which whistle and creak, sh1tting yourself time in the woods after dark!