March in London

#1
I know that there is a thread elsewhere about all this (sponsored heavily by A_S) but my goldfish-like attention span only lasts for 3 pages of threads, so...

The Daily Telegraph said:
Thousands of war veterans and serving soldiers wil march through London tomorrow to oppose the merger of some of the Army's most famous Regiments.

19 infantry Regiments, including the Black Watch, face becoming part of multi-battalion Regiments.

Announced in December, the plabns have been opposed by the Save the Regiments campaign. This, its fifth and final rally, will close roads from Trafalgar Square to Hyde Park.

Jeff Duncan, a campaign organiser whose grandfather died in service with the black Watch in 1940, said 'Our message is simple and urgent. If you want to save the Regiments, do not vote Labour.
I have my own views about this whole issue, but it has been a very well managed campaign. :D

The article is on p10, by the way...
 
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March in London - which calendar are you using Calypso? :D

Seriously, whilst from a sentimental point of view, it's a shame that some of the old names are going to disappear the process of amalgamation and disbandment of regiments has taken place since the army was first organised and there is no reason why everything should be set in concrete now. I do think it's important that the regimental system survives, because it is a very good way of getting officers and soldiers to think of themselves as part of a specially identifiable 'family' but equally, it needs to adapt so it doesn't become a millstone around the army's neck. Sad to say, I think this march will prove futile and is probably mistaken anyway.
 
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Calypso said:
I know that there is a thread elsewhere about all this (sponsored heavily by A_S) but my goldfish-like attention span only lasts for 3 pages of threads, so...

The Daily Telegraph said:
Thousands of war veterans and serving soldiers wil march through London tomorrow to oppose the merger of some of the Army's most famous Regiments.

19 infantry Regiments, including the Black Watch, face becoming part of multi-battalion Regiments.

Announced in December, the plabns have been opposed by the Save the Regiments campaign. This, its fifth and final rally, will close roads from Trafalgar Square to Hyde Park.

Jeff Duncan, a campaign organiser whose grandfather died in service with the black Watch in 1940, said 'Our message is simple and urgent. If you want to save the Regiments, do not vote Labour.
I have my own views about this whole issue, but it has been a very well managed campaign. :D

The article is on p10, by the way...
Thanks for raising it again.

good luck guys.
 
#4
Agent_Smith said:
Calypso said:
I know that there is a thread elsewhere about all this (sponsored heavily by A_S) but my goldfish-like attention span only lasts for 3 pages of threads, so...

The Daily Telegraph said:
...Jeff Duncan, a campaign organiser whose grandfather died in service with the black Watch in 1940, said 'Our message is simple and urgent. If you want to save the Regiments, do not vote Labour.
I have my own views about this whole issue, but it has been a very well managed campaign. :D

The article is on p10, by the way...
Thanks for raising it again.

good luck guys.
A_S, I realise that the Save The Scottish Regiments campaign feel some obligation to prospective candidates who have supported them in the past, but I am puzzled as to how they have reached some of their tactical voting recommendations.

I see that they recently endorsed an SNP candidate in a constituency where he really has no chance of ousting the ultra-loyalist sitting Labour MP, but the Lib Dem candidate has.
 
#5
hackle said:
Agent_Smith said:
Thanks for raising it again.

good luck guys.
A_S, I realise that the Save The Scottish Regiments campaign feel some obligation to prospective candidates who have supported them in the past, but I am puzzled as to how they have reached some of their tactical voting recommendations.

I see that they recently endorsed an SNP candidate in a constituency where he really has no chance of ousting the ultra-loyalist sitting Labour MP, but the Lib Dem candidate has.
I think it is because the libs have not promised to save the regiments (like the tories and SNP have), therefore they dont see why they should support them. (willing to be proved wrong here by PTP if he knows better :D ) But other than that, i must admit some of the decision making leaves a lot to be desired but their hearts are in the right place.

PS, here is all i can find in their manifesto regarding defence

Our troops protect the nation - we must protect them.
Britain provides its military as a force for good in the world. But the more military commitments Britain makes around the world, the more our troops are overstretched. They are short of the equipment they need, and there are specialist areas which are severely under strength. We also need our armed forces to be ready to cope with emergencies at home, such as terrorism, natural disasters and other emergencies. Our foreign policy must be realistic about what we can, and should, take on - and we must then equip the military properly to do it.
Libdem policies
 
#6
chickenpunk said:
March in London - which calendar are you using Calypso? :D

Seriously, whilst from a sentimental point of view, it's a shame that some of the old names are going to disappear the process of amalgamation and disbandment of regiments has taken place since the army was first organised and there is no reason why everything should be set in concrete now. I do think it's important that the regimental system survives, because it is a very good way of getting officers and soldiers to think of themselves as part of a specially identifiable 'family' but equally, it needs to adapt so it doesn't become a millstone around the army's neck. Sad to say, I think this march will prove futile and is probably mistaken anyway.
Whilst i respect the opinion of those who dont oppose the amalgamation/regimental losses, i would draw your attention to this article...

It has been revealed in internal MoD documents, released under the freedom of information act, that the MoD knew and accepted that scrapping historic Scottish army regiments would harm recruitment to the army in Scotland.

Whilst government ministers denied that the ending of the six single Scottish Regiments and replacing with a single super regiment would have any effect they accused campaigners of scare-mongering and not understanding the plans.

Campaign spokesman Jeff Duncan commented: “This explicit admission by the MoD in which the freely admit that by amalgamating the Scottish Regiments into a single super regiment would then lead to a drop in recruitment is astonishing. It validates what our campaign has said since July 21, 2004 - that a super-regiment is neither welcome or wise and will lead to recruitment problems. Already recruitment has dropped as a result.
Admitedly taken from Save the scottish regiments
 
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A_S, I wasn't trying to pick a fight, and I don't doubt I would feel mortified if my Regiment was getting the chop, but I think we need to look forwards now. I think the reorganisation of the infantry is a good thing; I think the cutting of infantry bns from the orbat is a bad thing.
 
#8
I hope these people know what they're doing. If they fail - and there's a high chance they will - they're dooming soldiers in these new regiments to a decade of low morale.
 
#9
chickenpunk said:
A_S, I wasn't trying to pick a fight, and I don't doubt I would feel mortified if my Regiment was getting the chop, but I think we need to look forwards now. I think the reorganisation of the infantry is a good thing; I think the cutting of infantry bns from the orbat is a bad thing.
I quite agree with what you have said, but still feel that abour must be punished for the regimental cuts, after all it was them who sent these regiments to iraq and then after servining honourably (like the rest of HMforces) they lay down plans to disband some of them and then merge the rest.

This decision was approved (if not taken) at cabinet level and as such i feel they must be made to pay for it. Granted, you may be right that it is past the point of no return, but hell why cant we (supporters of the save the regiments) take some of them (Labour MP's) with the soldiers being laid off?

cheers

A_S
 
#10
cheesypoptart said:
I hope these people know what they're doing. If they fail - and there's a high chance they will - they're dooming soldiers in these new regiments to a decade of low morale.
Any lower than it would be without people trying to save their proud history and traditions?

The MOD know that if they do merge the regiments that recruitment will take a real dive north of the border. Therefore i dont see how it could be any worse than if they didnt protest.

A_S
 
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Agent_Smith said:
cheesypoptart said:
I hope these people know what they're doing. If they fail - and there's a high chance they will - they're dooming soldiers in these new regiments to a decade of low morale.
Any lower than it would be without people trying to save their proud history and traditions?

The MOD know that if they do merge the regiments that recruitment will take a real dive north of the border. Therefore i dont see how it could be any worse than if they didnt protest.

A_S
Good point.
 
#12
Why has nobody thought to reduce the LOAMSHIRES to a single battalion regiment and amalgamate it with 1 WARMINSTER RIFLES, already a single battalion entity but both recruiting from the same heritage, catchment areas?

I suspect this is because too many of the top brass served, albeit briefly, in one or more command appointments in these war-dodging formations...we should be told.
 
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Cuddles said:
Why has nobody thought to reduce the LOAMSHIRES to a single battalion regiment and amalgamate it with 1 WARMINSTER RIFLES, already a single battalion entity but both recruiting from the same heritage, catchment areas?

I suspect this is because too many of the top brass served, albeit briefly, in one or more command appointments in these war-dodging formations...we should be told.
I believe the plan is to amalgamate the Loamshires with the Blankshires and the Warminster Rifles to form a kind of 'A303' super-regiment. No name has been decided on yet.
 
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MS Rep - you obviously either failed to attend or at least pay attention at the School of Inf/LWC

Chickenpunk - on the money my dear old fruit! I'd quite forgotten the BLANKSHIRES, although they tended to be an administrative course regiment e.g. court martial duties or SFA, rather than "1WR will dig in..erm..ah yes, just here in the SHAFTESBURY GAP." "Will we have RE support sir?" "No, just use one of the several zillion existing trench systems from previous MAPEXs nd BBGTs Carruthers..." warry courses.
 
#16
I hope these people know what they're doing. If they fail - and there's a high chance they will - they're dooming soldiers in these new regiments to a decade of low morale.
low morale, ha.

they couldnt give a fcuk its all about the money
 

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chickenpunk said:
Cuddles said:
Why has nobody thought to reduce the LOAMSHIRES to a single battalion regiment and amalgamate it with 1 WARMINSTER RIFLES, already a single battalion entity but both recruiting from the same heritage, catchment areas?

I suspect this is because too many of the top brass served, albeit briefly, in one or more command appointments in these war-dodging formations...we should be told.
I believe the plan is to amalgamate the Loamshires with the Blankshires and the Warminster Rifles to form a kind of 'A303' super-regiment. No name has been decided on yet.
Not sure as that's still on the cards CP.
Since both units were re-roled as SF Sp (Power Rangers,) they've been heavily engaged in hunting out the remnants of the Fantasian Army from the mountains surrounding Imber, while 1WR has honed their FIBUA skills in the heavy fighting these last six months in the Fantasian capital Copehill.
 
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chickenpunk said:
Cuddles said:
Why has nobody thought to reduce the LOAMSHIRES to a single battalion regiment and amalgamate it with 1 WARMINSTER RIFLES, already a single battalion entity but both recruiting from the same heritage, catchment areas?

I suspect this is because too many of the top brass served, albeit briefly, in one or more command appointments in these war-dodging formations...we should be told.
I believe the plan is to amalgamate the Loamshires with the Blankshires and the Warminster Rifles to form a kind of 'A303' super-regiment. No name has been decided on yet.
Cuddles and CP - classic! :D

As I was wandering about LWC the other day, I happened to pass by DInf and caught the tail end of a conversation between 2 terribly senior types discussing the creation of 'The Army Training Estate - Salisbury Plain Regiment (Geoff Hoon's Own)'. It will be composed of the following:

1 Bn ATE-SP (GHO) - formerly 1 Bn LOAMSHIRES
2 Bn ATE-SP (GHO) - formerly 1 Bn BLANKSHIRES
3 Bn ATE-SP (GHO) - formerly 1 Bn Warminster Rifles
4 Bn ATE-SP (GHO) (V) - formerly 1/4 Bn The Amesbury Volunteers*
5 Bn ATE-SP (GHO) (V) - formerly The Copehill Down Militia**

Allegedly. :D

*Of JOTES 1 fame
**So beloved of countless OPTAG serials in CHD!
 
#20
Did anyone on here actually go to the march yesterday. I haven't seen any coverage of it on the news at all. That said I only get the BBC world version of events.

I did however see plenty of coverage of the royal "wedding" and the Grand National.... Begs the question, "Has this been a well organised campaign?"

Organising a march in London for the afternoon when almost everyone in UK has their eyes focussed on Aintree and their annual punt on the National to me seems anything but good planning..

Chuck in the Royal "Wedding" originally booked for Friday which would inevitably overspill onto Saturday's news broadcasts and it makes me wonder if the organisers were planning for any coverage at all.

In organisational terms a dead Pope count probably counts as an act of God!

But marching on Grand National Weekend? "Lions led by Donkeys" springs to mind!
 

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