Mandelson for PM?

#1
Last weekend, I spent an inordinate amount of time on the road. I quickly became fed up with the offerings on the radio and decided my own thoughts were better.

Unfortunately, I fell to musing that the Lord Protector aka Mandelson would, at some point in the very near future, depose King Charles 1st aka Gordon Brown and become, well, Lord Protector of All He Surveys.

This was so horrifying that the rest of the journey passed quickly with the radio on!

I haven't checked the odds but, maybe, I should. Should I? Could Mandelson be the next PM? Am I mad?

Litotes
 
#2
Litotes said:
Last weekend, I spent an inordinate amount of time on the road. I quickly became fed up with the offerings on the radio and decided my own thoughts were better.

Unfortunately, I fell to musing that the Lord Protector aka Mandelson would, at some point in the very near future, depose King Charles 1st aka Gordon Brown and become, well, Lord Protector of All He Surveys.

This was so horrifying that the rest of the journey passed quickly with the radio on!

I haven't checked the odds but, maybe, I should. Should I? Could Mandelson be the next PM? Am I mad?

Litotes
I doubt very much the public are that stupid to vote for him in a general election and I doubt we would allow a second unelected tit in if he just trys to take over from one-eye.
 
#3
"Calm yourself down and breath".

Said for both your benefit and mine, Litotes. :D

What a horridly active imagination you have. All I'll say is if that snake got in to office, my application would be in to emigrate (anywhere!) as it would mean that the UK public had lost all common sense.
 
#4
stacker1 said:
Litotes said:
Last weekend, I spent an inordinate amount of time on the road. I quickly became fed up with the offerings on the radio and decided my own thoughts were better.

Unfortunately, I fell to musing that the Lord Protector aka Mandelson would, at some point in the very near future, depose King Charles 1st aka Gordon Brown and become, well, Lord Protector of All He Surveys.

This was so horrifying that the rest of the journey passed quickly with the radio on!

I haven't checked the odds but, maybe, I should. Should I? Could Mandelson be the next PM? Am I mad?

Litotes
I doubt very much the public are that stupid to vote for him in a general election and I doubt we would allow a second unelected tit in if he just trys to take over from one-eye.
My point exactly; he would be unelected, as is Gordon Brown. We wouldn't have a say.

They have form...

Litotes
 
#5
Thanks for this Litotes 8O

Just as I was despairing over the two c0cks we will have to choose from at the next election you prove things could be worse. :omg:
 
#6
Litotes said:
My point exactly; he would be unelected, as is Gordon Brown. We wouldn't have a say.

They have form...

Litotes
Not even they would do that, Why, to do that would hold the general public in contempt and a decent goverment would neve...

Oh dear the penny has dropped
 
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#7
Not sure how they could arrange for his catamite to be introduced to the Saudis, the Pope etc on official visits.
 
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BambiBasher said:
Not sure how they could arrange for his catamite to be introduced to the Saudis, the Pope etc on official visits.
Isn't that what the highly paid civil servants in the Foreign Office are paid for....?

Litotes
 
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Litotes said:
BambiBasher said:
Not sure how they could arrange for his catamite to be introduced to the Saudis, the Pope etc on official visits.
Isn't that what the highly paid civil servants in the Foreign Office are paid for....?

Litotes
I suppose they could dress him up in a frock and wig, cross between Yes Prime Minister and La Cage Aux Folles.
 
#13
Serious answer is that it would be very difficult - the objection about two successive PMs not having gained a mandate from a general election raised when there was speculation that Milliband would run for the leadership would rear its head again. HMQ might instead insist on a dissolution of parliament and an election.

There might be an agreement that Mandleson would, upon taking office, announce that there would be an election in six months to allow him to put his legislative progamme before the country, something he could only effectively do if given a small amount of time to develop it while in office, but I suspect HMQ would only go for this option in exceptional circumstances.

Second, this assumes that the Labour party would have voted him in. There would inevitably be a 'Stop Mandleson' candidate, not least from those who also have ambtions to lead the party. Several of those possible candidates would probably be more popular.

Third, before doing this, he would almost certainly have to announce his intention to gain a seat in parliament. This would require a Labour MP in a safe seat to step down to allow Mandy to win a by-election.

And that's risky, because voters being asked to grant safe passage in such circumstances have often been bloody-minded and voted in the underdog. This happened to Patrick Gordon Walker in 1964 - lost at Smethwick, appointed as Foreign Sec by Wilson anyway, MP for Leyton induced to stand down, by-election early '65, Gordon Walker fought it, expecting to win easily - and the voters, deeply teed off, turned out in low numbers and returned the Tory candidate instead. (After making their point, they elected Gordon Walker in the 66 General Election.

For a party which is already in a spot of bother (the last poll had Cameron back out at 15% in front, IIRC), appointing one of the most unpopular men in politics as leader would make the Labour 1983 manifesto look like a potential election-winning document...
 
#14
Is he even eligible to be pry minister now that he's in the upper house, y'know, a lord 'n' such?

MsG
 
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Bugsy said:
Is he even eligible to be pry minister now that he's in the upper house, y'know, a lord 'n' such?

MsG
Nothing in the constitution to prevent it, but it hasn't been done for a long time. I was about to say that the public wouldn't accept it, but seeing what they've already taken from this shower perhaps I ought not to tempt fate.
 
#16
The convention is that the PM should come from the Commons - i.e that he/she should have been elected, rather than drawn from the Lords, although in theory there's nothing to stop the PM from being Lord or Baroness X of wherever.

To get in to the Commons he would have to renounce his peerage, since no-one sitting in the Lords is allowed to be a candidate (the hereditaries who were excluded from the Lords under Blair's reforms had to be allowed to vote and stand in elections, otherwise their human rights would've been violated).

And thinking about it, I'm not sure that he can disclaim his peerage. A Lib Dem peer attempted to introduce a Life Peerages (Disclaimer) Bill in 2006, but I don't think that it's on the statute books. While an hereditary peer could've renounced his or her peerage and run for a commons seat, the Lords reforms failed to make allowances for the life peers to do this. So Mandy would also need to introduce self-serving legislation which might not make it through the Lords (or the Commons, for that matter), and which would then have to be forced through by the Parliament Act, which would cause a bit of a consistutional issue.

So I suspect that my initial assessment of 'very difficult' might have to be upgraded to 'nigh on impossible'.
 
#17
There's no way that the British public would elect (or tolerate as an unelected PM) a virtually openly gay man. It would be more revolutionary than Obama's election.
 
#18
_Artemis_ said:
There's no way that the British public would elect (or tolerate as an unelected PM) a virtually openly gay man. It would be more revolutionary than Obama's election.
You will hate me for this (again) but I know fuck all about politics, I just do as am told.

I would like a precis of who and why I should vote for, bearing in mind my mum had my proxi vote and always voted Lib Dem. Not that I was ever allowed to know about that.

Might have been that she posted David Alton posters in the past, and had a little helper. Ish.
 
#20
Well I think you are all soooooo off the ball.

He was on tv recently saying he would LOVE to do "come dancing" or something sooooo exciting.

judging by the millions of chavs that ONLY WATCH SUCH DRIVEL BUT NEVER WATCH THE NEWS, he WOULD get elected!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now. knowing how devious this F************* C**** S******* B******** is WHY would he go on tv to say/admit his admiaration for such people AND HOW ENJOYABLE IT WOULD BE if he was given such a chance????????????

Be afraid, be very afraid.
 

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