A very sensible move to study for a degree.Thank you for all the responses , theyve been a lot of help and have decided it would probably be beneficial for me to study for a degree part time whilst in the forces.
Yep - this surprised me when I joined my first bank - whereas the army trains you for everything, they just said "Achieve this. Let me know if there are problems. Here are the relevant guidelines / rules".I have seen quite a few leaving the forces who have been surprised at businesses expectations on the individual and the lack of formal training in a lot of tasks expected of you.
I'm lucky enough to be in a fairly senior role nowadays. When meeting with clients my company like to emphasis my Military background as a big plus (I totally agree ). If the client is ex Mil and they ask what cap badge I was then I know we'll get on. If they ask what rank I was then I know we won't.
It's possible. I ended up in a fairly senior management position, apparently off the back of the leadership skills I gained as a STAB sergeant. Though I work in a very specific field.I read somewhere about how ex officers would get offers of well paid management positions simply cause of the leadership skills they developed in the army. I wondered if anyone else has heard of similar positions and if they think a sergeant/ corporal would also be considered for such a position as they too would have had leadership training
Tell that to the thousands in mundane jobs if they can get them paying back fees and cost of living debtWholeheartedly agree; the best investment that you can make.
Incidentally, I did come across an ex officer having a swift one in the bar before my wedding. I knew he was one because it was the second thing he said to me after commending me for my well bulled brogues. I didn't have the heart to tell him they were patent leather.
Tell that to
Tell that to the thousands in mundane jobs if they can get them paying back fees and cost of living debt
Why the clamour for Management
If I could have my time again I would have trained as a Plumber / Electrician / etc when I left the Army
Where I live those in the biggest detached houses are the self employed tradesmen
Even compared with a few years ago, there is a wide recognition of the skills that all military service gives, and a lot of the prejudices towards SP (violence, drunkenness, shouty etc) have slowly evaporated.
I disagree except at the most junior level, when you are trying to encourage young people with no experience to show what leadership/management skill that they have but have never used.I can’t speak for the other services, but the Army instills both management and leadership skills.
It's certainly the case that your civilian employer only sees a very narrow band of you and your activities - and scores you on them; that's to say, those things you do and say at work during working hours.I'd be interested to know what skills are recognized at more senior positions. For juniors I agree, that they are used to being where they should on time, doing as they are told and not whining to much when they have to do some extra work. It might give them an advantage against civvie peers when working. But I'd expect that as standard for more senior positions in civvie street. What does the ex military have that gives them an advantage when looking at more senior roles (Compared to civvies)
I disagree except at the most junior level, when you are trying to encourage young people with no experience to show what leadership/management skill that they have but have never used.
From then on generally the Army just expands your current skills, good leaders become better leaders and bad leaders become worse.
I think in a lot of ways the Army can set people up to fail and its more apparent the higher up you get when you try for a civvie job.
Years of telling a subordinate to "make it work" rarely translate to civvie street.
As an OC/CO you can be set a task/mission and **** it up, but rescue it because you have a pool of manpower who are paid a set rate to do anything you like, in any conditions. People who paying the wages tend to get arsey in civvie street about that type of thing. Yet the OC/CO can claim he was in charge of 150/650 bods on X-task,
You said at the start of your post "The individual", I reckon that about most of it (once you get past junior ranks/young people). If someone is any good at something they will probably succeed in civvie street or the military, if they are bad at it, they have a better chance of covering it up in the military than in civvie street.
On one memorable occasion, some guys workng for me on a project returned from a fraught meeting with a local bigwig and described him to me as being flushed of complexion and red of trouser. They passed me his business card which included at the end of a long list of (gen) post-nominals "TD". A quick google identified him as a retired officer from my own regiment. I'll live the embarrassment down one day.