Man in a bag - Did the Spooks do it?

#1
The inquest into this chap being found dead in a zipped up and locked bag is exercising the minds of the conspiracy muffins.

Ignore the fact that this guy liked to be tied up and was into kinky self abuse, dressing up etc. The whole thing rests on how did he get into a locked zipped up bag.....he must have been put there...no?

It is possible to lock a zipped bag...then open the zip by using a biro point.....an old trick employed by baggage handlers at "Thief Row." Have a rummage around, steal anything you want then press the two zips together....nobody is the wiser until they open the locked bag. The criminal brain is ever inventive. ...and no I have never worked at Thief Row....a man in a pub told me about this wheeze years ago.
 
#2
Was there a biro in the bag?
 
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PrinceAlbert

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#3
Why would the Inelligence Service do it? If they wanted to get rid of him they'd have put him in for a clearance review. Found him unsuitable for the clearance, revoked it, and dismissed him. If this guy was a good codebreaker (which by all accounts he was) why kill him?

If they really wanted him dead, I'm sure that they'd have found a subtler way of doing it.
 
#4
Really? What about that Dr, you know Blairs mate who was going to blow the WMD bollocks?
 
#6
No....he died a la Hutchens, of a sex game gone wrong! Pervert!
 
#7
If you wanted rid of him there's far easier ways of doing it. If the 'super sneaky beaky' assassins got in and out without being seen why bother locking inch high private eye in a rucksack? You'd just ram a screwdriver through his neck, rummage through his flat and nick some stuff. Another burglary gone wrong.

It always makes me laugh when the tinfoil hats bang on about Diana's death. There's some pretty confident assassins out there who could get the driver pissed, ensure he put his foot down at the sight of some scooters, subliminally got Di not to wear her seatbelt and then use a Fiat Uno to ram a mahoosive Merc into that pillar. They certainly earned their money that night!
 

seaweed

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#9
Tinfoil hat time in the Case of the Boil in the Bag Spook.

Already explained on ARRSE how it can be done.
 
#10
It is possible to lock a zipped bag...then open the zip by using a biro point.....an old trick employed by baggage handlers at "Thief Row." Have a rummage around, steal anything you want then press the two zips together....nobody is the wiser until they open the locked bag.
One of the forensic types giving evidence said that he had considered this possibility, but there was no evidence of damage to the teeth of the zip which is characteristic of this method.

If you wanted rid of him there's far easier ways of doing it. If the 'super sneaky beaky' assassins got in and out without being seen why bother locking inch high private eye in a rucksack? You'd just ram a screwdriver through his neck, rummage through his flat and nick some stuff. Another burglary gone wrong.
I thought the flat was in a so called safe house, so a routine burglary was unlikely.
 

Goatman

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#12
I think Shag Nasty has asked the wrong question....not ' did OUR spooks do it ' but did someone else's ?

As to ' if he was a good analyst - why top him ? ' ....er.....maybe he decrypted something he shouldn't have....?

I have no idea if he was an auto-asphixiator or not....seems the papers have made up their minds on that one already ( although from what I've seen the actual evidence is pretty insubstantial...)

Bearing in mind what Leveson has just revealed about the cosy relationship between what m'learned colleague refers to as

A) The Bizzies
B) The Pollys
C) The Reptiles

really, REALLY makes a bit of scrutiny in order - n'est-ce pas ?

How far do you think any government would go to avoid real, headline grabbing embarassment ?

(Ah, taxi for one ? I'll get my tinfoil anorak....)
 
#13
ahem "alleged" S&M-freak trannie
I wasn't talking about the dead code-breaker. His family told the inquest he was straight as a die.

I'm talking about the kind of person who gets off on being tied up & constrained in bags, who had had to be rescued by other people when said stunts went wrong & so on :wink:
 
#14
Wearing my landlords , rather than my tin foil hat .
I really couldn't care less what tenants get up to in their private lives , but
did you see the state of the bathroom in the crime scene photos ?
Absolutely filthy , I hope he sues the deceased's estate for the deposit .
 
#16
I thought the flat was in a so called safe house, so a routine burglary was unlikely.
I'm not an intelligence expert, but surely a safe-house is pretty much just a house? It's supposed to be safe by virtue of its secrecy, not super-stealth-death-underwaterknifefightingninja guards and drone guns.

Although it might have slightly better security than the average house, a burglary would be theoretically possible.
 
#17
I'm not an intelligence expert, but surely a safe-house is pretty much just a house? It's supposed to be safe by virtue of its secrecy, not super-stealth-death-underwaterknifefightingninja guards and drone guns.

Although it might have slightly better security than the average house, a burglary would be theoretically possible.
I was thinking along the better security side of things. Wasn't there CCTV footage from the premises of people they wanted to speak to?

I concur with the poster above who said that if they wanted to get rid a (fabricated) withdrawal of vetting or a "mugging gone wrong" is more likely than a plot which Cubby Broccoli would have found a bit far fetched for some of the Roger Moore Bond movies. Looks like game gone wrong to me...
 
#18
I'd agree with the points above about subtlety - why would spooks want to create a deliberately baffling case that'll get loads of media attention?

Much more likely they'd have just suicided him, like they did with Dr Kelly.


Oh, there's a black van outside, I wonder who it could be.
 
#19
Dr. Wilcock is disingenuous. He was into bondage and other kinky goings on. His fellow "kinks" could have been responsible but it is more likely that he suffocated himself in a bondage act that went wrong. It is possible to lock a bag...unzip it then close it up again ..using a trick that airport baggage workers use. ...and no a biro would not have to be in there with you....forensics pick it up in the flat or not?

Logically any covert interference would not leave such an obvious mystery. It is inconceivable. Why leave such a mystery that would only lead to questions being aired by the conspiracy muffins? It doesn't make sense from that point of view.

The fact that he was a spook for the intelligence services gives me the willies. Did they ever do any positive vetting? Probably the same vetting that they gave Anthony Blunt. Ie: “Were you buggered senseless at your public school? Good. …and were you involved in homosexual/transvestite activities at Oxford or Cambridge? Yes? Sign here.... I think we can offer you a job in our spy - section.”
 
#20
Doubt if biro trick would work. You need to take the pressure off the zip when closing it. I.e hold both sides of the zip together.

Funny how the bag was just the right size for him. Wonder if he had done it before.

Whatever happened you would need the minds of Salvadore Dali and the marquis De sade to cococt such a bizzare end.
 

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