Man cuts up car in clamp protest

#2
Bandalong said:
Are the jobsworth really that bad these days ?
If you have any doubts about it just read a couple of the threads here on arrse and you'll clearly see that they are indeed that bad. And they are here on arrse. Here's the responses of two arrse coppers- they really do appear to see us all as criminals waiting to be caught.

A man spent 18 hours in a police cell over a discarded apple core.

Having read the Daily Wail repotage on this I think this bloke was being a bit of a c0ck to be honest.

I'm not defending this just because i'm OB but from his own admission he refused to co-operate with the PCSO (not a proper copper and renowned for their lack of communication skills) when confronted by this.

If he was so innocent then he should have refused the fixed penalty and gave his details in order to fight it in court. No-one HAS to accept a fixer, it's your right to take it to a court. I imagine the court would have thrown it out.

But instead of that believing, rightly or wrongly, that he was in the right walked off. The PCSO did what he does best (call a real police officer) and it escalated from there when the bloke refused to give his details, therefore making him arrestable. PCSO's REALLY don't have anything better to do.

He then compounded it by doing the old "Don't tell em your name pike" resulting in him being kept in before the court the following day.

I agree that getting reported for throwing an apple stump is a bit silly but I wonder if it would be such a big story if it were a chav throwing a can on the floor.

I'm not trying to defend the indefensible here, but this bloke really didn't help himself. Personally I would have asked him to pick it up, but only if it landed on the pavement the grass would have been fine, and not start waving the fixed penalties about.
No sympathy at all with this bloke, he had every right to fill in the back of the ticket and go to court, instead he refuses to gives his name and kicks off, backing the OB into a corner. He can't be given a ticket as he is refusing his name and address and clearly won't turn up if bailed, So he gets charged and goes to court. All his own doing what ever the rights and wrongs of the original offence.

I can remember a similar character, who whilst in custody for assulating his wifre refusing to go to hospital for heart attack treatment unless he was bailed, you just can't tell some people and this guy is one of them.
 
#3
actiontoday said:
Bandalong said:
Are the jobsworth really that bad these days ?
If you have any doubts about it just read a couple of the threads here on arrse and you'll clearly see that they are indeed that bad. And they are here on arrse. Here's the responses of two arrse coppers- they really do appear to see us all as criminals waiting to be caught.

A man spent 18 hours in a police cell over a discarded apple core.

Having read the Daily Wail repotage on this I think this bloke was being a bit of a c0ck to be honest.

I'm not defending this just because i'm OB but from his own admission he refused to co-operate with the PCSO (not a proper copper and renowned for their lack of communication skills) when confronted by this.

If he was so innocent then he should have refused the fixed penalty and gave his details in order to fight it in court. No-one HAS to accept a fixer, it's your right to take it to a court. I imagine the court would have thrown it out.

But instead of that believing, rightly or wrongly, that he was in the right walked off. The PCSO did what he does best (call a real police officer) and it escalated from there when the bloke refused to give his details, therefore making him arrestable. PCSO's REALLY don't have anything better to do.

He then compounded it by doing the old "Don't tell em your name pike" resulting in him being kept in before the court the following day.

I agree that getting reported for throwing an apple stump is a bit silly but I wonder if it would be such a big story if it were a chav throwing a can on the floor.

I'm not trying to defend the indefensible here, but this bloke really didn't help himself. Personally I would have asked him to pick it up, but only if it landed on the pavement the grass would have been fine, and not start waving the fixed penalties about.
No sympathy at all with this bloke, he had every right to fill in the back of the ticket and go to court, instead he refuses to gives his name and kicks off, backing the OB into a corner. He can't be given a ticket as he is refusing his name and address and clearly won't turn up if bailed, So he gets charged and goes to court. All his own doing what ever the rights and wrongs of the original offence.

I can remember a similar character, who whilst in custody for assulating his wifre refusing to go to hospital for heart attack treatment unless he was bailed, you just can't tell some people and this guy is one of them.
So now the OB are getting blamed for NCP (whoever they are) Jobsworths clamping cars. Ho hum....Not content with that, instead of trying to add your own considered opinion on this subject, you link in another thread slating the OB.

If you want to knock the OB, knock away. Don't dilute your argument by tenuous links to other threads, which, if I may say so, didn't DIRECTLY involve the police. They would have been called in this instance to prevent a Breach of the Peace I imagine. Why not knock the central villains in this sorry little tale, the NCP?

I suppose you would like a heap of $hite chavmobile blocking your road/path would you? On second thoughts don't bother answering that. :roll:
 
#4
marco_poloroid said:
So now the OB are getting blamed for NCP (whoever they are) Jobsworths clamping cars. Ho hum....Not content with that, instead of trying to add your own considered opinion on this subject, you link in another thread slating the OB.

If you want to knock the OB, knock away. Don't dilute your argument by tenuous links to other threads, which, if I may say so, didn't DIRECTLY involve the police. They would have been called in this instance to prevent a Breach of the Peace I imagine. Why not knock the central villains in this sorry little tale, the NCP?

I suppose you would like a heap of $hite chavmobile blocking your road/path would you? On second thoughts don't bother answering that. :roll:
It's the same jobsworth mentality that's all. We find it in newspaper articles and we find it hard to believe that officials could be so petty and jobsworth. My point is that it's not isolated incidents of newsworthy jobsworthness as we get coppers and others posting on the relevant threads with exactly the same level of jobsworthness.
The average man on the street is being increasingly criminalised - We are watched on camera, pounced on by officialdom left right and centre and these people's attitude says- we bring it on ourselves.
We did- through not rising up, organising and overthrowing this corrupt and evil regime that pretends to be our democratic government.
 
#5
National Car Parks has an annual turnover of £140 million and employs 4,000 people to Police Car Parks. It would now appear that their remit with local authorities extends beyond mere car park attending and out into the streets and alleyways of the country to clamp untaxed vehicles. At first we had Policemen who have apparently become very expensive, then we had erzatz Politzi enforcing the law in support of them who are slightly cheaper and now we have car-park attendants in support of the Police and the PCSOs!

We have, in facts, a veritable cornucopia of officialdom exercising draconian powers over the public.

The Police state appears to be undergoing a gradual outsourcing to such an extent that it appears to exasperate ordinary members of the public to such an extent that they act in a most extraordinary manner!
 
#6
"[I'm] happy I got one over on them. They're jobsworths, for the sake of an inch and a half on the path."
Yes you really got one over on them :roll:
 
#8
Ive been clamped twice and on both occasions I have ground off the padlock and replaced at my expense (fiver) and left contact details and invited them to offer to make the repairs to my car that the clampers left.

They called and said I'd damaged their property, I apologised and said I'd replaced the damaged article, I then asked if they would do me the same favour and I heard nothing more.
 
#9
Digressing back to the apple core story, the Mail did their usual inflated headline making it appear that the police had been over zealous in their actions over a trivial offence. If you read further you see that the man was uncooperative and refused to comply with their requests.
Actiontoday - Im just wondering what you would do if (and Im assuming you are a serving member of HMF) a subordinate refused one of your order's? If you are prepared to let them off then you are at best weak and more likely unbefitting your rank. I guess that most would see that person charged for disobeying a direct order or conduct unbecoming.
Remember that the Mail also ran a stort questioning why the Barrister in Chelsea was shot, despite him firing at them, and also quoted a "neighbour" who said that the police were heavy handed and that they should have called for his parents to defuse the situation.
Awful, awful journalism. Im glad I switched to the Times about a year ago.
 
#10
sparky8 said:
Digressing back to the apple core story, the Mail did their usual inflated headline making it appear that the police had been over zealous in their actions over a trivial offence. If you read further you see that the man was uncooperative and refused to comply with their requests.
Actiontoday - Im just wondering what you would do if (and Im assuming you are a serving member of HMF) a subordinate refused one of your order's? If you are prepared to let them off then you are at best weak and more likely unbefitting your rank. I guess that most would see that person charged for disobeying a direct order or conduct unbecoming.
Remember that the Mail also ran a stort questioning why the Barrister in Chelsea was shot, despite him firing at them, and also quoted a "neighbour" who said that the police were heavy handed and that they should have called for his parents to defuse the situation.
Awful, awful journalism. Im glad I switched to the Times about a year ago.[/quote]

Would this be the Times that quoted some ex-Royal Protection Officer on the dangers or not of Prince William visiting AFG a couple of weeks ago. The said Officer has no knowledge at all about the front line situation in AFG so why was he quoted? As you say, awful, awful journalism.

And why Conduct Unbecoming (there is no such Charge) - what is wrong with Disobeying a Lawful Command?
 
#11
Iolis said:
National Car Parks has an annual turnover of £140 million and employs 4,000 people to Police Car Parks. It would now appear that their remit with local authorities extends beyond mere car park attending and out into the streets and alleyways of the country to clamp untaxed vehicles. At first we had Policemen who have apparently become very expensive, then we had erzatz Politzi enforcing the law in support of them who are slightly cheaper and now we have car-park attendants in support of the Police and the PCSOs!

We have, in facts, a veritable cornucopia of officialdom exercising draconian powers over the public.

The Police state appears to be undergoing a gradual outsourcing to such an extent that it appears to exasperate ordinary members of the public to such an extent that they act in a most extraordinary manner![/quote]

Indeed,

But back in the day, when parking laws came under police jurisdiction, you had a right of a hearing at a magistrates court.

Now these have been 'decriminalised' its's actually made it harder for the public to appeal or even put their side across.

Especially as there are only certain circumstances that they would even consider an appeal under.

TFL are the worst for this in London, with their Nazi esque enforcement of bus lanes.

I recently had a member of the public complain to me whilst out on patrol in uniform that TFL had ticket him via CCTV for moving out of the path of a police car on an emergency call and into a bus lane. I tracked down the call reference number and advised him to quote this to them in an appeal letter.

They refused to cancel it!

Now, some months down the line, I notice motorists will not move into a bus lane to make way for emergency vehicles on blues and twos, a sad state of affairs if it's you or a relative needing that Ambulance,Fire engine or police.
 
#12
sparky8 said:
Digressing back to the apple core story, the Mail did their usual inflated headline making it appear that the police had been over zealous in their actions over a trivial offence. If you read further you see that the man was uncooperative and refused to comply with their requests.
Actiontoday - Im just wondering what you would do if (and Im assuming you are a serving member of HMF) a subordinate refused one of your order's?
If you are prepared to let them off then you are at best weak and more likely unbefitting your rank. I guess that most would see that person charged for disobeying a direct order or conduct unbecoming.
Remember that the Mail also ran a stort questioning why the Barrister in Chelsea was shot, despite him firing at them, and also quoted a "neighbour" who said that the police were heavy handed and that they should have called for his parents to defuse the situation.
Awful, awful journalism. Im glad I switched to the Times about a year ago.
For your information sparky the general public are NOT subordinates of the police no matter how much jobsworth cnuts like the ones referred to might think we are.
 
#13
People like that make the world "interesting"...

But to be fair it sounds like an admin cock up;

"Mr Taylor said he made several efforts to explain that the car had a SORN (Statutory Off Road Notification) certificate verifying it had not been driven on the road and that it had been parked on his drive."

Not too sure I'd take to the thing with an angle grinder though :p
 
#14
sparky8 said:
Digressing back to the apple core story, the Mail did their usual inflated headline making it appear that the police had been over zealous in their actions over a trivial offence. If you read further you see that the man was uncooperative and refused to comply with their requests.
Actiontoday - Im just wondering what you would do if (and Im assuming you are a serving member of HMF) a subordinate refused one of your order's? If you are prepared to let them off then you are at best weak and more likely unbefitting your rank. I guess that most would see that person charged for disobeying a direct order or conduct unbecoming.
Remember that the Mail also ran a stort questioning why the Barrister in Chelsea was shot, despite him firing at them, and also quoted a "neighbour" who said that the police were heavy handed and that they should have called for his parents to defuse the situation.
Awful, awful journalism. Im glad I switched to the Times about a year ago.
There's a difference between a serviceman refusing to obey a lawful direct order and a member of the public refusing to answer the demands of some jumped up twerp treating a civil offence as if it was a criminal matter. And yes, the Police reacted excessivly, I'm sure many people here have witnessed true criminal behaviour that has gone unpunished, for example, having a piss in a public place is a criminal offence, yet people seem to think they can piss wherever they want. Smoking Skunk is still an offence, yet I bet you'll pass someone this week puffing away in a public place, ever seen a Copper stop someone smoking a controlled substance on the streets and nick them?
 
#15
Rickshaw - soz, not charged anyone in a while so Im not 100% up to speed. As for the times, didn't see that bit but generally think its not biased or sensationalist and does damn good rugby coverage.
EX_STAB where did I say that general public are subordinate to the police? I was trying to put in into a military context. However, I would say that the police are there to police us and if someone is acting untowards the they are there to sort it.
 
#16
But if the rear wheel was only slightly on the pavement then the backend of the car must have been an obstruction to pedestrians?

And what does cutting it in half do? other than show that you can't be reasoned with, nice one how you going to scrap it now bright spark?

I'm surprised that he didn't get a ticket for littering :D
 

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