Man buns next?

It does look a damned sight smarter!
As a recipient of that order in another theatre, I can safely state that your post is one way of looking at it! :)
 
You seem to be locked onto the ''BEARD'' thing, & thats not my point or example. I am talking about the many & vaired issues that diversity brings up within HMF. But while you are on the subject of pioneers etc this is uniformity within its given historic place in some units, so its not an issue about uniformity/cohesion is it ?
The full beard in the RN is OK, but a porn tash is a NO NO, however the RM as part of the RN has it ass about face. Theses are historic anomalies that were considered the norm up until now when diversity is chalenging these standards.
It's an issue surrounding fashion and society at large I think. For instance, in the British Army up until 1915 you were contravening King's Regs if you didn't have a moustache.
 
In that case some Man Up pills need to issued, can't have people lolling about, looks very untidy!

Aha, the CGS has finally revealed his username.
 
Agreed, it will require sensible management and the RN seem to have no problems with it. You apply to grow a beard and have a certain amount of time in order to attempt to grow one to an acceptable defined standard. If you can't then it's off; no ifs, buts or maybes.
That's going to be fun for some people to decide in the future.
 
It's an issue surrounding fashion and society at large I think. For instance, in the British Army up until 1915 you were contravening King's Regs if you didn't have a moustache.

Can you imagine the outrage in 1915 when that rule was dropped? Change, it scared people.
 
Can you imagine the outrage in 1915 when that rule was dropped? Change, it scared people.
Much wobbling of hirsute stiff upper lips!
 

Kefi

Swinger
Things have always been different for different people
Lets take saluting for example, In the past I said it was fairly pointless and its just something people do because they always have. Naturally there was loads of fake frothing from people who said saluting was terribly important but when asked why, couldnt answer, they also couldnt even say what the origins were, the best they could settle for is that its traditional. It then transpired that saluting has changed at least a couple of time over the centuries.
Basically what you think is traditional, is usually something that has been in place since you joined and you think that there is a good reason for it, when the reality is some officer decided something on a personal whim and it became policy.
Lets take visable tattoos, do you think its likely people avoided conscription in ww1 and 2 if they had a visable tattoos?
Lets take drill. Someone a few weeks ago put up an old Pathe film of soldiers on public duties, (I think it was dated in the early 1930s) drill was noticeably absent, yet today you would think they have always pranced about because that is all you have ever seen.

It is well overdue that the Army starts looking at its pathetic rules that have no bearing on operational effectiveness and more to do with senior officers view on how people should look. I remember soldiers having to tuck their shirts in when based in Afghanistan in the middle of summer because some cuntbag officers thought it looked smarter.
I think we are at odd on this one, however you are correct in stating that the militery is in a constant state of evolution. My point is that an all male heterosexual (in theory) christian miltery unit had a set of standards that could be applyeid across the board more easily that in todays all inclusive ideology. We are now at a cross roads where there is a drive to creat a divers, all inclusive force that allowes for individual choices. The reality is that this has no end to its applications & as time goes on we will see the changes to how it used to be in
a very visibal way. Our Europen partners have been pushing the boundary's in all the areas we have been talking about & it appears it has not afected their effectiveness.


From 1 September 2019, all serving members of the Royal Air Force will be allowed to grow a beard thanks to a change in the dress regulations.
Following a decision by the Air Force Board, a new policy will be introduced which allows all RAF personnel to grow a smart, neatly trimmed, full set beard, subject to approval from their commanding officer.
The new policy will detail the application process and the type of facial hair allowed, but only full-set beards that are kept short and neatly trimmed will be permitted. For those individuals who grow a beard as a tenet of adherence to faith, the policy remains unchanged and a beard may be grown in excess of generally permitted characteristics. The chain of command retains the authority to determine the requirement for an individual to shave or modify their facial hair, based on the occupational, operational and safety requirements at that time.
The change is part of a wider review of a number of personnel-related policies which included a change to the RAF tattoo policy made in May 2019.
Full article: http://bit.ly/2MXw4ET
 
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Mufulira

Old-Salt
I think we are at odd on this one, however you are correct in stating that the militery is in a constant state of evolution. My point is that an all male heterosexual (in theory) christian miltery unit had a set of standards that could be applyeid across the board more easily that in todays all inclusive ideology. We are now at a cross roads where there is a drive to creat a divers, all inclusive force that allowes for individual choices. The reality is that this has no end to its applications & as time goes on we will see the changes to how it used to be & a very visibal way. Our Europen partners have been pushing the boundary's in all the areas we have been talking about & it appears it has not afected their effectiveness.


From 1 September 2019, all serving members of the Royal Air Force will be allowed to grow a beard thanks to a change in the dress regulations.
Following a decision by the Air Force Board, a new policy will be introduced which allows all RAF personnel to grow a smart, neatly trimmed, full set beard, subject to approval from their commanding officer.
The new policy will detail the application process and the type of facial hair allowed, but only full-set beards that are kept short and neatly trimmed will be permitted. For those individuals who grow a beard as a tenet of adherence to faith, the policy remains unchanged and a beard may be grown in excess of generally permitted characteristics. The chain of command retains the authority to determine the requirement for an individual to shave or modify their facial hair, based on the occupational, operational and safety requirements at that time.
The change is part of a wider review of a number of personnel-related policies which included a change to the RAF tattoo policy made in May 2019.
Full article: http://bit.ly/2MXw4ET
In my underground mining work, Rescue Crew members could not have beards as it would interfere with the Face mask of the Drager apparatus. You could grow a bead but had to immediately shave it off on a call-out. Electric razor provided at Rescue Station.
 

orgASMic

War Hero
I await news of the massive spike in RAF recruiting we are about to see...
I'm waiting for the pile of beard chits to land on my desk on 1 September. Then I'm waiting to see who gets to keep their beard once the Wobbly inspects them on 15 September. The execs have opened a book accordingly.


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I await news of the massive spike in RAF recruiting we are about to see...
I hope not, as the training pipeline can barely cope with current numbers.

It's been interesting to see the reaction of the Canucks to the relaxation on beards, given their cultural/lumberjack tendencies. A number of them grew them when their regs changed last year, but most of those have since gone back to clean-shaved, so Army/RCAF beardies are a rare sight.

 
In that case some Man Up pills need to issued, can't have people lolling about, looks very untidy!
Are you me ex WO? Ordered troops to wear ovies in a v hot Cyprus summer. Rescinded by the boss after two line swine flaked out and off to Med Centre. Cuntery for the sake of it.
 
Are you me ex WO? Ordered troops to wear ovies in a v hot Cyprus summer. Rescinded by the boss after two line swine flaked out and off to Med Centre. Cuntery for the sake of it.
Was it you that replied "Not my end" when I pointed my pace stick and said there was a piece of shit at the end??? Was that you, you horrible little man?!
 

Niamac

GCM
It's an issue surrounding fashion and society at large I think. For instance, in the British Army up until 1915 you were contravening King's Regs if you didn't have a moustache.
After D-Day a German sniper was asked how they always managed to shoot Officers and NCOs. "Easy, we shoot those with big moustaches."

In the GreatWar the alleged answer was, "We shoot those with thin legs. (jodhpurs)."
 
I think we are at odd on this one, however you are correct in stating that the militery is in a constant state of evolution. My point is that an all male heterosexual (in theory) christian miltery unit had a set of standards that could be applyeid across the board more easily that in todays all inclusive ideology. We are now at a cross roads where there is a drive to creat a divers, all inclusive force that allowes for individual choices. The reality is that this has no end to its applications & as time goes on we will see the changes to how it used to be & a very visibal way. Our Europen partners have been pushing the boundary's in all the areas we have been talking about & it appears it has not afected their effectiveness.
In theory we have always had poofs, they just had to keep it hidden.
The Army has certainly not been christian in quite a while, regardless of what it said on peoples dogtags, you rarely saw them in church unless they were forced. Ironically there has been an increase in church activity in the last decades, mainly from black foreigners.

The set of standards was mainly bollocks that was just an officers whim. If the British Army had some decent forward thinking leaders (Ha-fucking-ha) they would have discussed beards decades ago and (if they didn't affect operational effectiveness) allowed them, instead its taken until 2019 and they are still fannying around.

Standards should be set around military objectives such as fitness, shooting, performance on exercise etc, not something that is utterly pointless that the Army does, for no other reason than they have always done it.
 
I think we are at odd on this one, however you are correct in stating that the militery is in a constant state of evolution. My point is that an all male heterosexual (in theory) christian miltery unit had a set of standards that could be applyeid across the board more easily that in todays all inclusive ideology. We are now at a cross roads where there is a drive to creat a divers, all inclusive force that allowes for individual choices. The reality is that this has no end to its applications & as time goes on we will see the changes to how it used to be & a very visibal way. Our Europen partners have been pushing the boundary's in all the areas we have been talking about & it appears it has not afected their effectiveness.


From 1 September 2019, all serving members of the Royal Air Force will be allowed to grow a beard thanks to a change in the dress regulations.
Following a decision by the Air Force Board, a new policy will be introduced which allows all RAF personnel to grow a smart, neatly trimmed, full set beard, subject to approval from their commanding officer.
The new policy will detail the application process and the type of facial hair allowed, but only full-set beards that are kept short and neatly trimmed will be permitted. For those individuals who grow a beard as a tenet of adherence to faith, the policy remains unchanged and a beard may be grown in excess of generally permitted characteristics. The chain of command retains the authority to determine the requirement for an individual to shave or modify their facial hair, based on the occupational, operational and safety requirements at that time.
The change is part of a wider review of a number of personnel-related policies which included a change to the RAF tattoo policy made in May 2019.
Full article: http://bit.ly/2MXw4ET

As stated, as from 1st Sept 2019, the crabs on parade from about Sept 5-6 will look scruffy, and un-shaven, not a beard, more like the result of a few days on the piss, this will continue until it will not be possible to distinguish one from the other, a sea of face fungus hipsters in blue,.............. and the men will be even worse.
 

Kefi

Swinger
In theory we have always had poofs, they just had to keep it hidden.
The Army has certainly not been christian in quite a while, regardless of what it said on peoples dogtags, you rarely saw them in church unless they were forced. Ironically there has been an increase in church activity in the last decades, mainly from black foreigners.

The set of standards was mainly bollocks that was just an officers whim. If the British Army had some decent forward thinking leaders (Ha-*******-ha) they would have discussed beards decades ago and (if they didn't affect operational effectiveness) allowed them, instead its taken until 2019 and they are still fannying around.

Standards should be set around military objectives such as fitness, shooting, performance on exercise etc, not something that is utterly pointless that the Army does, for no other reason than they have always done it.

How about this report for a bit of top brass forward thinking ;) :rolleyes: they can't believe their luck to get the first female serving in the guards.

 
As stated, as from 1st Sept 2019, the crabs on parade from about Sept 5-6 will look scruffy, and un-shaven, not a beard, more like the result of a few days on the piss, this will continue until it will not be possible to distinguish one from the other, a sea of face fungus hipsters in blue,.............. and the men will be even worse.
It strikes me that you've never seen a typical RAF (ie, non RAF Regt) squadron on parade.
 

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