Making the new ACMT (old APWT) work

#1
Having just read this article in TAQ7 on ArmyNet, it strikes me that with current MTD budgets and trained men away on tours, fulfilling these much more intense (but realistic and, in my view, welcome) changes to the the APWT is going to prove problematic. Although I held RMQ 1-3 and SAA last time I was in, I have yet to do a range day with my unit and would be interested to know how others in the CoC view this development from a practical point of view.

On 1st January 2010 the Army will introduce a new shooting
policy which will introduce a number of improvements to
raise marksmanship.
The Army Combat Marksman Test (ACMT) has replaced the Annual
Personal Weapons Test (APWT) and the Annual Weapons Assessment
(AWA) for all personal weapons, ensuring that there is a single standard
irrespective of whether it is an individual’s primary or secondary
weapon. For instance, the ACMT for SA80 requires soldiers to close
with the target and will include a standing/kneeling practice at 50m.
Infantry and other soldiers involved in Dismounted Close Combat
will now be required to accurately engage targets in the 1–20m zone.
There are other enhancements, including practice using night vision
devices, moving/fleeting targets, live firing of the Underslung Grenade
Launched High Explosive Dual Purpose (UGL HEDP) Grenade and
completing a live Fire Team Attack prior to deployment. The remit
for support troops (BCC) will be less demanding, but they will be
required to complete a Fire and Movement Test (F&MT)2.
The new Shooting Policy brings a number of other benefits,
including:
 Greater focus on foundation training and effective coaching
 Progressive live firing practice with additional zeroing and
grouping
 Increased shooting from standing and kneeling positions
 Increased Close Quarter Marksmanship (CQM) – engagements
under 20m
 A more relevant test
 The introduction of mandatory pre-deployment live firing tests
 Better alignment of ACMT, MATT 1, pre-deployment tests &
competitive matches
 The upgrading of ranges and targetry to support new training
requirements
Any changes to AOSP had to be balanced against other priorities, and
the new policy has taken care not to increase the time and resources
necessary to train the battle shot or demand unrealistic standards.
The intent of AOSP 2010 has been to place more emphasis on the
effective delivery of preliminary practices before mastering the type
of engagements being encountered during operations. Training will be
more imaginative and progressive in order to improve accuracy and
prevent skill fade.
In parallel to AOSP 2010, adjustments have been made to the training
of all Skill At Arms Instructors to ensure that they will be better able
to coach marksmanship and correct individual shooting weaknesses.
An electronic copy of AOSP Pamphlets (Volumes 1-3) is now accessible
from the Infantry Section of the British Army Electronic Battle Box
(BAeBB) at http://e-forms.land.army.r.mil.uk/refportal/default.htm.
Pamphlets will be distributed directly to units.
 
#2
What annoys me most is 1) the pointless change of name and 2) The way everything is becoming Combat this and Combat that. It's not like it's a charity event is it?
 
#4
New ACMT, piece of piss and will take 40mins and uses less ammo as the old APWT

Suggest you find other things to worry your head about.
 
#5
and where exactly are all of these UGL's, Night Vis stuff coming from to do the test anyway??? I haven't seen night vis kit and UGL since the sandy place,
 
#7
pacestick said:
and where exactly are all of these UGL's, Night Vis stuff coming from to do the test anyway??? I haven't seen night vis kit and UGL since the sandy place,
Everything after 50m in oldcolts post is the new AOSP not part of the ACMT so you will see it on predeployment training or if you do a 'shooting' camp
 
#8
What will happen is, you'll turn up on the range and get told what to do.

Did the ArmyNet page mention anything about "not to be disseminated"?
 
#9
msr said:
What annoys me most is 1) the pointless change of name and 2) The way everything is becoming Combat this and Combat that. It's not like it's a charity event is it?
I know; what with Medical Technicians, Jackets, Fitness Tests, Equipments Fighting and Marching Order and Ninety-Five, it's everywhere. 8O


Still, the CET has gone so there's clearly some give and take. I suspect that you might need to get yourself a new woman to give you something else to, 'annoy you most'.
 

The_Duke

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#10
shimna01 said:
pacestick said:
and where exactly are all of these UGL's, Night Vis stuff coming from to do the test anyway??? I haven't seen night vis kit and UGL since the sandy place,
Everything after 50m in oldcolts post is the new AOSP not part of the ACMT so you will see it on predeployment training or if you do a 'shooting' camp
The reason you have not seen it since deployment is because (drum roll....) there is so little of it that it has to be kept for deployment and pre deployment training.

Strangely enough, it all features in the pre-deployment training programe! :wink:
 
#11
shimna01 said:
New ACMT, piece of piss and will take 40mins and uses less ammo as the old APWT

Suggest you find other things to worry your head about.
Given the reduction in ranges that we will be shooting at, passing is not, and never has been a worry for most. What concerns me is how the units are going to fit in the more varied demands that this will place on them and I am not convinced, from the small amount of information in the article, that this will improve marksmanship overall. Close quarter battle and effective reactive, close range fire, yes. Engaging longer range targets, developing breathing and positional techniques does not seem to be addressed in this.

I am chuffed that we are going to see training with the UGL's but suspect that this will only be on PDT rather than on weekends with our units. Again, passing is not the issue at hnd, it's finding the time, qualified men and ranges (day and night) to make this a possibility.
 
#12
Reading the post, it seems to take into account current operational experience.
 
#13
oldcolt said:
shimna01 said:
New ACMT, piece of piss and will take 40mins and uses less ammo as the old APWT

Suggest you find other things to worry your head about.
Given the reduction in ranges that we will be shooting at, passing is not, and never has been a worry for most. What concerns me is how the units are going to fit in the more varied demands that this will place on them and I am not convinced, from the small amount of information in the article, that this will improve marksmanship overall. Close quarter battle and effective reactive, close range fire, yes. Engaging longer range targets, developing breathing and positional techniques does not seem to be addressed in this.

I am chuffed that we are going to see training with the UGL's but suspect that this will only be on PDT rather than on weekends with our units. Again, passing is not the issue at hnd, it's finding the time, qualified men and ranges (day and night) to make this a possibility.

I say again, everthing after (in your own post) 50m is not part of the ACMT but part of the new AOSP. You will only see it on pre-deployment or if your CO runs a 'shooting' camp.

Time- easy(for an Inf Bn)
Ranges- easy
Qualified men- easy
Ammo- difficult
 
#14
As I said above, the article in TAQ is short and not overly clear as to what is actually required/ involved in each of the tests. Does anyone have the correct info on the ACMT to make matters clearer - if it can be reproduced here?
 

The_Duke

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#15
oldcolt said:
As I said above, the article in TAQ is short and not overly clear as to what is actually required/ involved in each of the tests. Does anyone have the correct info on the ACMT to make matters clearer - if it can be reproduced here?
I have it, but will not reproduce it on here. It can be found in full in the electronic battle box.

LF 11 Advanced application of fire (mandatory for MST) and the ACMT both involve shooting out to 400m, so please don't get the idea that the ranges have all dropped down to CQM ranges of 25-50m
 
#16
shimna01 said:
pacestick said:
and where exactly are all of these UGL's, Night Vis stuff coming from to do the test anyway??? I haven't seen night vis kit and UGL since the sandy place,
Everything after 50m in oldcolts post is the new AOSP not part of the ACMT so you will see it on predeployment training or if you do a 'shooting' camp
fair one, although i'd still like to see all that kit turn up on a "shooting camp" ;)

pre-deployment - here's your 2 grenades now lob em..
 
#18
The new ACMT seems pretty interesting but how much time will this take to bounty qualify people just for there MATT 1? If this saves the amount of rounds used then thats a bonus for the cash strapped TA. Can anyone enlighten me how much time this will take to get through the whole ACMT package?
 

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#19
Mr_d said:
The new ACMT seems pretty interesting but how much time will this take to bounty qualify people just for there MATT 1? If this saves the amount of rounds used then thats a bonus for the cash strapped TA. Can anyone enlighten me how much time this will take to get through the whole ACMT package?
The ACMT itself is only 40 minutes, so no great difference to the old APWT. The build up shoots are more extensive, and we have allocated a full weekend to get 30 pax throught the G&Z, advanced application of fire and ACMT.

Don't kid yourself that it will save ammunition, as it will not make a material impact. Bounty requirement is currently MATT 3 ie WHTs only, so it doesn't really matter unless they increase the bounty requirement to level 1 (ie beyond the level 2 it was at before the cuts).
 
#20
On 1st January 2010 the Army will introduce a new shooting
policy which will introduce a number of improvements to
raise marksmanship.
I wouldn't hold your breath, tried to book a range for this in new year and haven't been able to find one in my area that has ACMT as authorised practices.

It may take a while to introduce?
 

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