Making someone up to Local Sgt

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  1. msr

    msr LE

    Is this any more complicated than publishing it on orders?

  2. Altogether now:

  3. You will need to request permission from your higher authority (Bde assuming you are in a Regt/Bn). The request should state length of time required and what for. Once you get authority, then publish on Orders
  4. Gremlin

    Gremlin LE Good Egg (charities)

    I thought that local rank upto and including Sergeant was in the CO's gift?

    That is surely the whole point of the idea!
  5. The_Duke

    The_Duke LE Moderator

    How long is your piece of string?

    In theory, simple. CO instructs Adjt to place it on Pt 1s.

    In practice, less so. Your CO will need to be certain that the local rank is warranted by the soldier (in terms of quality), and that there is a suitable justification for the local rank to be awarded.

    This is usually caveated by time (ie for the duration of a course or other specific need), to prevent lots of people wearing rank that they are not qualified to hold, and have not been boarded for. If it is not for a course, I would expect due consideration to be given to posting someone across to do the job, or a grading/promotion board to ensure that there is not a better qualified candidate to full the job on a substansive basis. Some Bdes will expect to final approval to ensure that this has been done, and avoid any issues of "favouritism".

    For local to SNCO, I would expect the RSM to have something to say as that person becomes part of his mess.
  6. From QR's

    9.160.Local rankcarries no entitlement to pay, allowances or pension rights. It may be granted under the following conditions:

    a. On the authority of the brigade or equivalent commander in those circumstances where it is desirable to exceed, temporarily, for purposes of training or prestige, the number of ranks or appointments authorized in an establishment, or to provide a higher rank than that allowed.
  7. This is correct. The CO can grant Local Rank one rank up (whether Sgt, SSgt, etc) It is a right granted by being a Commanding Officer. The individual may then wear the Rank, but it is unpaid, unless there is a gapped post that cannot be filled for a set period of time, then an individual may claim "pay of Higher Rank" as long as they are in that post for at least 29 Working days. However this is normally a post someone would be given "Acting Rank" for, and that does need to be authorised by Bde/Div. The RSM would have been consulted as he should be advising the CO on whether the individual concerned is suitable to hold the Rank. It is published on Part Ones as an official recognition that the CO has granted the Rank and covers any and all legal issues. This is normally for rank ranged courses etc, but i have known for individuals to be granted Acting as a method of seeing if they can hack it a rank up!!!!!
  8. Gremlin

    Gremlin LE Good Egg (charities)

    Thanks. I thought that it was awarded at Bn rather than Bde level!

    Would you mind quoting the other subsections as well?
  9. I thought it was 21 days to get the money, not 29?
  10. msr

    msr LE

    He already is a Sgt ;)

    The correct answer is, of course, read TA Regs:

    Local Rank
    a. Local rank may be granted in those circumstances where it is desirable to exceed temporarily for purposes of training or prestige the number of ranks authorized in an establishment or to provide a higher rank than allowed. Local rank carries no entitlement to pay, allowances or pension rights and is to be sparingly granted.
    b. Authority to grant local rank is vested in Div/Dist and Brigade Commander or Commanders TA/CVHQs, advised where necessary by heads of arms or services as applicable.
    c. Application for the grant of local rank is to contain, in addition to the regimental particulars of the soldier for whom such rank is requested, statements giving the reasons for the request and the length of time for which the grant of local rank is required. The approving officer referred to above may vary the period for which local rank is granted if,
    in his opinion any variation is required.
    d. Application for the grant of local rank is normally to be confined to one rank higher than the substantive rank which the soldier is actually holding. Where the application is made for the grant of higher local rank than the one above the soldier’s substantive rank the authorizing officer referred to above may grant such a rank should he consider it desirable to do so.
    e. The grant, withdrawal or cessation of local rank is to be published in unit Part 1 Orders.
    f. For disciplinary purposes no account is to be taken of local rank. If a soldier holding such a rank is to be dealt with by his commanding officer it is a matter for his discretion whether or not the soldier should be administratively deprived of that rank before trial.
    5.126. Subject to para 5.125, local rank is to be relinquished on the date that the holder ceases to fulfil the function for which local rank was granted, and also on call out either as an individual or with the unit in which the soldier has been granted the local rank.