Make Love Not War?

"Make Love not War" should this be the new OTC motto

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Ok this is to find out how many of yu out there have slept your way to that JUO/SUOship or have slogged your guts out on the gun park or up a stream boning enemy arrse to gain that coveted promotion
I don't know about everyone else, but in my unit you'd be sleeping with the Chocolate Orange. I have slogged for my whole time at it, but squiggly rank slides only go to people who have held command positions, not to those who can hold them successfully. At my unit, in the eyes of most people, the rank is worthless.
Agree with Lucy here.
Rank is pretty much meaningless in my unit, as it's only really given to the kiss-arrses who seem all too common. Everyone knows who the real leaders are, so will follow their lead, rather than that of some jumped-up suck-up with all the sly and cunning of a diseased sloth.
Of course, this can, and has caused some major rivalries between those who wear the rank, and those who actually deserve it. Those deserving have their lives made a misery by those above (despite the fact that they're not really empowered to do so), and it's a wonder that more of the good guys/gals haven't left.
Would mention though that some of the cadets who were recently promoted had the decency to be slightly embarassed. Possible/definite short sightedness by the headshed if the newly appointed people knew there were others who ought to have got it. What's in it for the boss?
orificecadet: I think I did well enough to escape getting a squiggle. Other than that, surely "sleeping your way to JUO" and "boning the enemy" are the same thing? -- though I don't think I boned any arrse.
I was kinda hoping not to get a squiggle, 'cos of the point A_T_L made. Hopefully those deserving will get it for next terms training.
Maybe slight re-thinking of the "Make Love, Not War" tagline should be invested in as it does sound a touch guardian reading, sandal wearing hippy.

Any thoughts?
lefty grauniad sandal wearing it may sound, based in sound right-wing FT reading logic it is!!! Hmm interesting down in my unit, its actually viewed as an appointment and we don't have very many of them and u only get it for 1 year!
What are the requirments for getting them? Holding a command appointment or just meing a good little cadet? Do people retain them year on year or can you only have it for 1 year max? Seems like a reasonable idea.
orificecadet said:
lefty grauniad
Is that a Hispanic newspaper of communist origin, ahem.

Up in Northern lands the promotions seem to have been on merit alone recently, but being one of the heirarchy's "Wunderkind" does have is benefits!
The situation with command appointments at London is apparently different from the rest of the country.

Before entering your third year, you go on the Train the Trainer course (currently during summer camp). There you learn methods of instruction, and 'right' way to use the rifle and to do fieldcraft -- they're effectively teaching you how to teach first years. Then you get appointed as one of: section commander, company or platoon JUO, troop JUO or 2i/c, or SUO, depending on the position to which you are best suited.

It's not true that the best cadet from TTT gets SUO, the next six get platoon JUO appointments, the next 18 (oh, sorry, they've disbanded one platoon -- there are only 5 Pl JUOs and 15 Sect Comds) get section commander, and the rejects get troop JUO and 2i/c appointments. Instead, it's based on personality: JUOs tend to be loud but better at dealing with admin than people; section commanders tend to be better at dealing with people in small groups. I don't know the inner workings of the A Coy hierarchy's minds, but that's the way it has come across to me any time I've seen a set of command appointments. Bear in mind that I've now seen appoinments given to those who I taught as first years, and I could have predicted those appointments two years ago based on personaltities, not abilities.

So: I would rate any ULOTC third year who holds a command appointment as equivalent to a JUO in another OTC, even if they don't have the same pattern on their rank slide.
this debate about the motto reminds me of an advertisment i once saw with the tag-line "Army: Be well bred". some people may remember the famous spoof advert and if you are dersirous of a copy one can e-mail it.

glad to see that people have cottoned on to the politicical nature of the otc rank structure. About bally well time too!
Having been OC of Coy in OTC for nigh on 2 yrs I can state quite categorically that promotion in our lot is on merit only. JUO's in the Coy have been cut from 6 to 3 during my time - (yup I'm a hard b*$^£rd to please) - and there is no CJUO/SJUO at the moment as no one deserved it.

They SO lied to me when they told me on posting that the OTC was a shag fest!

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