Major Seizure by US Customs

#3
Is it just me or should I feel better after reading this as evidence of our diligent federal government protecting our border? I am also shocked beyond belief that one of our "most favored nation" trading partners would do something like this.

Exercise equipment seized at Savannah port - Bloomberg
As to your first point, I'm surprised that it wasn't checked and refused clearance at the point of departure under the CSI. Shenzhen and Shanghai are full participants with CBP agents based there full time and Dalian's a prospective member. Looks like someone did indeed drop a spherical reproductive gland on that one.

As to your second, most favoured trading nation status applies only to the nation and not the private businesses which shipped these goods, so unless you're alleging that this was a conspiracy of the PRC government to bring democracy down with inferior fitness equipment you can hardly attribute this to one of your most favoured nations. Besides, I thought you were in favour of minimum government interference in people's private dealings? :wink:
 
#4
As to your first point, I'm surprised that it wasn't checked and refused clearance at the point of departure under the CSI. Shenzhen and Shanghai are full participants with CBP agents based there full time and Dalian's a prospective member. Looks like someone did indeed drop a spherical reproductive gland on that one.

As to your second, most favoured trading nation status applies only to the nation and not the private businesses which shipped these goods, so unless you're alleging that this was a conspiracy of the PRC government to bring democracy down with inferior fitness equipment you can hardly attribute this to one of your most favoured nations. Besides, I thought you were in favour of minimum government interference in people's private dealings? :wink:
My second point was with tongue firmly in cheek. My actual dig was that we afford such status to a totalitarian state like the PRC not to mention that we as a nation cannot stand on principle for more than a nano-second if sufficient dollars or yuen are involved. I am against undue and un-Constitutional interference with US citizens as they lead their lives in the US. I have always believed that, as our Constitution itself provides, two of the few legitimate roles of the federal government is foreign policy and national defense. I believe both of these are at risk in the way the US has kow-towed (;-) ) to the PRC ever since Nixon tried to preserve a place in history for himself by dealing with the murderous and oppressive regime in the first place.
 
#5
Counterfeit exercise equipment?

Did it look like a treadmill, but on closer inspection turn out to be black duck tape wrapped round a couple of carboard tubes? ;-)
 
#7
Look on the bright side, being marked up at market value would mean that your govt will have charged the appropriate amount of duty.
 
#8
I believe both of these are at risk in the way the US has kow-towed (;-) ) to the PRC ever since Nixon tried to preserve a place in history for himself by dealing with the murderous and oppressive regime in the first place.
And which were established across the 37 states not covered by the original Declaration of Independence thanks to the 'murderous and oppressive' way in which the US treated the existing inhabitants of their territory.

John 8:7.
 
#11
And which were established across the 37 states not covered by the original Declaration of Independence thanks to the 'murderous and oppressive' way in which the US treated the existing inhabitants of their territory.

John 8:7.
I have never asserted that we have many peccadilloes in our own history. I was not alive then but I am now and I will speak while I can about the cruelty of the PRC. One does not negate the other. To use your formula, no ARRSER can speak of such things either. Rather silly I think.
 
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I have never asserted that we have many peccadilloes in our own history. I was not alive then but I am now and I will speak while I can about the cruelty of the PRC. One does not negate the other. To use your formula, no ARRSER can speak of such things either. Rather silly I think.
Fun-poking and tongue-in-cheek digs aside, I tend to make up my own mind about people and nations based on my personal experience of them. As a result, I find it rather ironic when people are prepared to sit in judgement of a country they've never been to using the events of the past as their yardstick and then complain about being linked with their own nation's historical 'peccadillos'.

Hence the biblical reference.
 
#18
Fun-poking and tongue-in-cheek digs aside, I tend to make up my own mind about people and nations based on my personal experience of them. As a result, I find it rather ironic when people are prepared to sit in judgement of a country they've never been to using the events of the past as their yardstick and then complain about being linked with their own nation's historical 'peccadillos'.

Hence the biblical reference.
I realize your present location and appreciate your perspective. To correct your assumption, I have actually been to the PRC several times with joint DOS/DoD delegations and actually wrote a lengthy piece years ago on the wonderful efforts of the "cultural" revolution.
I am also good friends with several former missionaries and one Chinese family that received the tender mercies of the PRC due to its having the gall to be Christians. While I hold no ill will against any Chinese person as a person, I will never change my view about its government no matter how it tries to dress itself until such time as it truly casts off its totalitarian control and gives its people their right to determine their own governance in a fair and transparent way.

I also appreciate the Biblical reference even if perhaps not offered in the spirit needed to fully understand it. The particular verse does not at all mean we cannot condemn the conduct of others when it clearly contravenes the principles of the Bible in terms as I believe the PRC has done and continues to do. I also condemn many of the things my own government has done and is now doing for the same and other reasons.
 
#19
To correct your assumption, I have actually been to the PRC several times with joint DOS/DoD delegations and actually wrote a lengthy piece years ago on the wonderful efforts of the "cultural" revolution.
The cultural revolution ended a generation ago and is part of what the modern CCP considers Mao's '30% wrong'. Hardly surprising given that the Party was the prime target.

Nowadays, it doesn't pretend to insinuate or force itself into every aspect of life the way it did in Mao's day. It's reverted to the Chinese Imperial tradition of not giving much of a shit what people do provided they stick within the rules. That's why people like Liu Yazhou (subsequently promoted to Political Commisar of the People's Defence University, China's Staff College) or Hu Xingdou (a prominent professor of economics at Beijing LiDa) can publically call for democratic reform and go on to be openly lauded while Liu Xiaobo gets locked up. The difference being, the former stayed within the established rules for criticism while the latter didn't.
 
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The cultural revolution ended a generation ago and is part of what the modern CCP considers Mao's '30% wrong'. Hardly surprising given that the Party was the prime target.

Nowadays, it doesn't pretend to insinuate or force itself into every aspect of life the way it did in Mao's day. It's reverted to the Chinese Imperial tradition of not giving much of a shit what people do provided they stick within the rules. That's why people like Liu Yazhou (subsequently promoted to Political Commisar of the People's Defence University, China's Staff College) or Hu Xingdou (a prominent professor of economics at Beijing LiDa) can publically call for democratic reform and go on to be openly lauded while Liu Xiaobo gets locked up. The difference being, the former stayed within the established rules for criticism while the latter didn't.
I assume then in this age of enlightenment, among other things, people can access anything they like (except kidde porn) on the internet, travel whenever and wherever they please, comment on the government even in negative terms in public and to foreigners, travel to receive various international prizes, etc. ? Your rationalization reminds me of those morbidly obese people who find comfort in saying they are so much better off than the fellow next to them weighing 500 pounds when they "only" weigh 350.
 

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