Major-General Sir Percy Hobart

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  1. Remarkable story indeed.

    Completely new to me is the "British Army Officers 1939-1945" site linked to on that page, this being Hobart's entry: LINK, with much unit and formation history to be found on the same site.
  2. Remarkable indeed it shows that unconventional thinking is key to winning any war. AARSE does quite rightly take the pi** of those who do specialist jobs (Humour is key), we take the mick out of everyone, it is the one thing that sets us apart from the rest, it happens take it on the chin and get on with it! A trait that is good to be proud of.
  3. Saludos Amigos
  4. Yes for me too, it is the first time I have come across that site and it looks excellent.

    Saludos Amigos
  5. Don't forget the Daddy of them all. Major 'Boney' Fuller and his Plan 1919.

    Even Guderian acknowledges Fuller as the father of Blitzkrieg and subsequent modern armoured warfare.
  6. I am not at all well up on First World War history, but I have heard that there has been some new historical thinking on the First World War that disputes the "Lions led by Donkeys" evaluation and also challenges the belief that the German Armys were never effectively threatened by the Allies on the Western Front. This thinking apparently centres on the idea that the relatively small British professional Army was effectively wiped out in the early phase of the War and the new civilian conscript Army could only be used in what was effectively a War of attrition lacking the abilities of the regular troops but by 1918 the British had re-constituted a fully professional Army from the conscripts and had the strategys and tactics and professional soldiers to inflict crippleing blows on the German forces. Really as I know very little about the First World War, I can not say what is the truth of this but they are interesting arguments all the same.

    Saludos Amigos
  7. I have just finished watching the Channel 4 WW I documentry on DVD, based on the works of Professor Hew Strachen.
    In the first episode they make the point that Germany knew they had to win a quick war for their industrial and agricultural capacity could not support a long war.
    Immediately they conquered lands they started stripping then of resourses and manpower which was shipped back to the Fatherland.
    It was partly this attitude that led the French in perticular to demand the vicious 'Reparations' that are often said to have led to WW II twenty years later.
  8. I certainly couldn't argue with a word you've posted. That is the current media angle and it's one I've been in support of since I read enough to form a considered opinion.

    You should read up on Fuller, honestly. You'd be surprised. His Plan 1919 wasn't needed for obvious reasons but it was his display of tactics in the inter-war years which inspired Guderian and others.
  9. "Sir Archibald Wavell dismissed Hobart into retirement in 1940, based on hostile War Office information due to his "unconventional" ideas about armoured warfare. Hobart joined the Home Guard as a corporal"

    I like the fact that even as a Brigadier they would not let him straight into the Sgts' Mess.
  10. Thanx for pointing me in that direction GDav, much appreciated!

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    Saludos Amigos
  11. Fuller was a very interesting character, although his espousal of British Fascism indicates he was a little bit flawed in his (non-military) thinking.
  12. Not 100% true, the reforcements deploying to the front was roughly

    1915 1st Line Territorials
    1916 Kitcheners New Army
    1917 2nd Line Territorials (these were recruited at the same time as the New Army but lack of instructors/equipment had delayed their training/deployment)

    Conscription started in 1916 (I don't think these soldiers went to territorial units - territorials could only serve in territorial units - admin nightmare?), another problem facing the regular army was the transfer of its officers and instructors to the new army.
  13. Cuddles the "Fascism" issue, certainly does not deserve to be brushed under the carpet and you are quite right to raise it. The only reason I did not make reference to it, is that though I had heard of Fuller and the part he played in developing armoured warfare theory, the references to Fuller's involvement with fascism in the materiel which I have read only amounted to a couple of lines about that issue, and it would be important to understand just what his involvement was and to place it, within the political, social and other factors with reference to the environment of the time before coming to a judgement on Fuller's relationship with Fascism but that said you Cuddles are quite to raise the possability that Fuller's involvement with Fascism does raise questions about his "non-military" ie political judgement.

    Saludos Amigo