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Major Eric Joyce rtd.

#2
Fair - no. Because if he had provided a sample as required by law, he would probably have failed and would certainly have got a fine and ban of same magnitude. The fact that he refused should have meant a longer ban and higher fine to deter other lesser mortals from kicking off and refusing to follow the law.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy - well done to those who dobbed him in and well done the constabulary!
 
#3
He's never been able to come to terms with the Fall of the House of Cyclops, poor thing. And I note with amusement that the court heard that he was not 'compus mentis' (sic - BBC spelling). As he's a New Labour MP, this seems to be rather stating the obvious.
 
#4
Sorry 'a bliar', I started another happy thread about this awful man, having not seen yours.

Makes you proud to be British and a socialist.

Please note that there are laws for you, me and the people next door, and there are laws for MEMBERS of PARLIAMENT. This is particularly apparent when considering 'money' - our tax money!
 
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#8
A tired and emotiional MP was fined £400 and banned from driving for a year.

BBC News - Labour MP Eric Joyce banned from driving

Good to see that Scottish justice is swift, but was it fair?

Refused to give a breath test until he had seen his solicitor? Barrack room lawyer to the end eh? Prick. He should have been banned for longer though, as it's meant to serve as a deterrent to tubes like him who refuse to give a sample, so no, I don't think that the punishment fitted the crime.
 
#10
Actually... he didn't get the same treatment as you or I would under the same circumstances because they (the constabulary) whipped him out the back door to avoid waiting media. Very naughty. Didn't work though, 'cos I waited outside his house and snapped him getting out of his taxi. He looked like shit and he wasn't at all chuffed at me - maybe I forgot to salute.
 
#11
Actually... he didn't get the same treatment as you or I would under the same circumstances because they (the constabulary) whipped him out the back door to avoid waiting media. Very naughty. Didn't work though, 'cos I waited outside his house and snapped him getting out of his taxi. He looked like shit and he wasn't at all chuffed at me - maybe I forgot to salute.
Your right, he wasn't treated like the rest of us. If he was a lowly taxpaywr the plods would have bounced his head off the cell floor for refusing to provide a sample.

Fnar fnar.
 
#12
Anyone serve with him, what caused him to leave the Army claiming racism?
Joyce is an ex-infantry soldier who came out, got a degree and went back as an Army educator (RAEC); he wrote an interesting paper for the Fabian Society which was picked up by the media and left wing politicians, basically it said how the army should be reformed/reorganised; military establishment mega-pissed and wanted rid, Joyce wouldn't go quietly; I've never met with anyone who served in the infantry with him but have subsequently spoken to a couple of fellow educators.
 
#14
Actually... he didn't get the same treatment as you or I would under the same circumstances because they (the constabulary) whipped him out the back door to avoid waiting media. Very naughty. Didn't work though, 'cos I waited outside his house and snapped him getting out of his taxi. He looked like shit and he wasn't at all chuffed at me - maybe I forgot to salute.
Is that your pic on the beeb news site? If so they've plastered your name all over it;)

*Alright, on the bottom R\H\S...in small print.
 
#15
Joyce is an ex-infantry soldier who came out, got a degree and went back as an Army educator (RAEC); he wrote an interesting paper for the Fabian Society which was picked up by the media and left wing politicians, basically it said how the army should be reformed/reorganised; military establishment mega-pissed and wanted rid, Joyce wouldn't go quietly; I've never met with anyone who served in the infantry with him but have subsequently spoken to a couple of fellow educators.
What did they have to say?
 
#16
Refused to give a breath test until he had seen his solicitor? Barrack room lawyer to the end eh? Prick. He should have been banned for longer though, as it's meant to serve as a deterrent to tubes like him who refuse to give a sample, so no, I don't think that the punishment fitted the crime.
No Wah but why is 'refusing to give a sample' without a brief being present an offence (unless it is a delaying tactic)? Are we obliged to do so and if so under which statute? Honestly, I'm interested as it seems to favour the prosecution.
 
#18
I knew an Educator who spoke very highly of him. Said he was basically a good chap but his political ambitions were greater than his military ones.

The article he was sacked over did not come to the attention of politicians, but was according to my source actually written in cahoots with the then Defence Minister (Robertson?). Given that a serving officer willfully and openly broke all the rules on talking to the press and criticising the Army he had to have some VIP top cover to last as long as he did.
 
#19
Damned if you do and danmed if you dont. Unless you don't drink and drive that is!!! Does seem the ban for failure to provide and providing a positive breathe test are same - fair enough in my eyes!
 
#20
Damned if you do and danmed if you dont. Unless you don't drink and drive that is!!! Does seem the ban for failure to provide and providing a positive breathe test are same - fair enough in my eyes!
I think that a failure to provide a breath test is viewed more seriously than a positive breath test, I was told the reasoning behind it but can't remember it now.
 

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