MAJ Richard I. Bong, USAAF WWII

[Trip_Wire]

Lockeed P-38 pilot in the Pacific!

(40 victories)

MAJ Richard I. Bong

WWII America's "Ace of Aces."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bong

 

[crabtastic]

An outstanding fighter pilot to be sure, but he truly achieved immortality with his numerous contributions to the development of improvised water pipe technology.

 

[lancslad]

Lockeed P-38 pilot in the Pacific!

(40 victories)

MAJ Richard I. Bong

"Ace of Aces."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bong

Sorry to be pedantic T-W but shouldn't the title of "Ace of Aces" really sit with Erich Hartmann...? I'm not taking anything away from Bong, as an individual, with his 40 victories but you have to admit his score doesn't compare favourably with the 352 victories achieved by Hartmann.

lancslad

 

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Lockeed P-38 pilot in the Pacific!

(40 victories)

MAJ Richard I. Bong

"Ace of Aces."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bong

Sorry to be pedantic T-W but shouldn't the title of "Ace of Aces" really sit with Erich Hartmann...? I'm not taking anything away from Bong, as an individual, with his 40 victories but you have to admit his score doesn't compare favourably with the 352 victories achieved by Hartmann.

lancslad

Did you read the article?

Quote:

Nickname Dick Chong
"Ace of Aces"
"Bing" Bong
Place of birth Superior, Wisconsin
Place of death near Burbank, California
Allegiance United States of America
Service/branch USAAF

I didn't coin the title!

 

[Bat_Crab]

Whilst I don't want to start a p1ssing contest, the term "ace of aces" is a little excessive considering the scores racked up in WW1 by the likes of von Richtofen, Fonck, Guynemer, Mannock, Bishop, Udet et al.

It also pales in comparison with WW2 Luftwaffe aces such as Hartmann, Barkhorn, Rall, Kittel and the 80 odd other pilots who achieved more than 100 kills during WW2!

That said, his score does surpass that of Britain's highest scoring ace, AVM "Johnnie" Johnson who had 38 kills. I don't want to take away anything from a man who was obviously an excellent pilot and deserving of plaudits, but the term "ace of aces" strikes me as unnecessary overstatement.

 

[lancslad]

Did you read the article?

Quote:

Nickname Dick Chong
"Ace of Aces"
"Bing" Bong
Place of birth Superior, Wisconsin
Place of death near Burbank, California
Allegiance United States of America
Service/branch USAAF

I didn't coin the title!

T_W - I did read the article and appreciate you didn't coin the title - that is unless you wrote the wiki entry

However you did create a post on Major Bong without clearly identifying its rationale. On that basis you can't knock the comments you get back and clearly the one element that can be reasonably contested is the moniker "Ace of Aces". As Bat_Crab points out there are many more individuals worthy of such a distinction - although I'd still have to go with Hartmann.

Out of interest what was your reason for posting these details on Bong?

lancslad

 

[whiffler]

A distant relative of Kevin Phillips Bong, one wonders?.

 

[Archimedes]

'Pat' Pattle was the highest scoring British Commonwealth pilot of WW2; although his exact tally isn't known because (a) he was KIA and (b) the squadron records were dumped in a harbour as we evacuated Greece enough information exists to say that he scored at least 40 and probably nearer 60 victories.

To be fair, the 'ace of aces' moniker was first employed in an American context, to denote that he's the highest-scoring American pilot of all time.

 

[baboon6]

'Pat' Pattle was the highest scoring British Commonwealth pilot of WW2; although his exact tally isn't known because (a) he was KIA and (b) the squadron records were dumped in a harbour as we evacuated Greece enough information exists to say that he scored at least 40 and probably nearer 60 victories.

To be fair, the 'ace of aces' moniker was first employed in an American context, to denote that he's the highest-scoring American pilot of all time.

More on Pattle, who was a South African serving in the RAF:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Pattle

The next two top-scoring RAF pilots after Johnson, "Sailor" Malan and "Paddy" Finucane, were South African and Irish respectively, meaning only one of the RAF's four top scorers was a Brit!

 

[PartTimePongo]

A driven individual. I suggest reading "Air War over Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete" by Chris Shores for an in-depth view of the fighting in Greece.

I always got the feeling however, that Pattle, especially in the last weeks of the Greece debacle, was becoming an increasingly unpopular and resented figure.

The description of the death of Hornet's 2nd Squadron Leader in Robinson's "A piece of cake" whilst probably co-incidental , does have uncomfortable parallels with the death of Pattle over Athens harbour to my mind.

 

[hansvonhealing]

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/commonwealth_pattle.htm

 

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lancslad:

Why did I post the data on MAJ Bong?

1.) He was the top American Air Ace in WWII (Note Edit!)

2.) He did it in a P-38, one of my favorite WWII aircraft.

I didn't want to get into WW I Aces, nor enemy aces, as I was centering on the top American WW II Ace.


WW II Japan's Ace-of-Aces, Hiroyoshi Nishizawa

(87) Victories

http://usfighter.tripod.com/hiroyoshi_nishizawa2.htm

Other WWII Aces all Countries:

WW II Air Aces:

http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/airaces1.htm

 

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American's Top jet Ace Korean War.:

Captain McConnell shot down 16 MiG-15s while flying F-86 Sabre jets for the U.S. Air Force. He was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross and the Silver Star for combat heroism. McConnell was the first triple jet fighter ace in history and is still the top-scoring American jet ace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._McConnell