Mail: "RM Chiefs Spark Fury By Offering £10,000 'Golden Hello' Payments To Former Commandos To Rejoin"

soleil

Old-Salt
"Royal Marines chiefs have sparked fury by offering lucrative 'golden hello' payments to former Commandos to re-enlist.

For the first time in the corps' 350-year history, former junior Marines who held the rank of either Marine or Lance Corporal before leaving will get a taxable bonus of £10,000 – paid in instalments over four years – if they return.

But serving troops last night said that the top brass would have been better advised to offer bonuses for personnel who have chosen to extend their military careers."

 
It's this kind of penetrating insight into the state of the Forces that makes me so admire the Defence Lobby...
 

Dredd

LE
Why fury? Standard practice in the private sector.

Oh, I see.
 

goodoldboy

MIA
Book Reviewer
I'm sure it must cost over £10,000 to train a new Marine over 26 weeks so where's the problem? Ten grand to a former Marine to rejoin is a bargain to the UK when the man only needs a 12 week refresher course, especially as it's paid over four years.
 
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£10000 over 4 years.
£2500 per year.
£200 pcm (£160 after tax)
£40 per week.
£8 per day.

I’d not wager my mortgage on vast numbers taking up this offer, if I’m honest.
 
£10000 over 4 years.
£2500 per year.
£200 pcm (£160 after tax)
£40 per week.
£8 per day.

I’d not wager my mortgage on vast numbers taking up this offer, if I’m honest.
Quite a lot of gravs will have to take their socks off to work that out...
 
I’ve been fortunate enough to receive numerous FRI’s, and they just don’t work. In the main it’s not money that is of concern to the guys and girls on the coal face, it’s Op Tempo and general erosion of TACOS.
 
But I thought that the RM (and Navy) Recruiting campaigns were far better than the Army ones ^~
 
A reckon a fair few RM who left to do MARSEC work will now jump at this.
Yup, for that extra £8 per day they'll be swarming at the gates of RM Stonehouse. Knocking the walls down, in fact..............:rolleyes:
 
Seems the RM are doing what the army did with the army reserve, except those who joined the reserves were offered it over three years provided they also passed their matts/bounty qualifications.

Awaits some of the more knowledgable to confirm or correct
 
I’ve been fortunate enough to receive numerous FRI’s, and they just don’t work. In the main it’s not money that is of concern to the guys and girls on the coal face, it’s Op Tempo and general erosion of TACOS.
The bootnecks' problem is that there isn't a war. Lads are passing a pretty hard course, and then sat doing "peacetime" bootneck-ing. Add in the Corps' complete inability to plan and execute that plan without changing their mind 7 times in 3 days, and the lads are just threaders.
 

martin7606

Old-Salt
Yup, for that extra £8 per day they'll be swarming at the gates of RM Stonehouse. Knocking the walls down, in fact..............:rolleyes:
Bearing in mind how the marsec world.has crashed to zero pounds a day for a huge number of ex RM I have worked with I believe it would be a hugely attractive offer....there are large numbers of lads n their.late twenties.and early thirties who wished they had never left to pursue Marsec work now that the arse has fallen out of it and they have little to no work in the sector.
 
I’ve been fortunate enough to receive numerous FRI’s, and they just don’t work. In the main it’s not money that is of concern to the guys and girls on the coal face, it’s Op Tempo and general erosion of TACOS.
You're right about retention exercises. They rarely add up to much and are far outweighed by the big stuff.

Plus most MCM measures get gamed anyway - e.g. in the Army c. 2011 everyone just held in for a year or two to see if they would get a cushy voluntary redundancy, and PVRd asap if they didn't.

However I think that bonuses like this do work ( albeit marginally ) by:

a. Advertising the fact that the Booties want their blokes to come back

b. Sweetening the deal / offering a face-saver for the returnees. Monetary value is pretty small but it reduces the stigma of returning to the Corps.

The AR joining bonuses worked in a similar way. If you were leaving the regular army and considering the reserve, you risked a serious slagging. "Off to join the STABs? Can't let go, eh? Thought you were going to earn big bucks?"

To which you could riposte "Yeah, but I'm going to get a few grand for a couple of years minimal effort - cheers, easy".

You could also point to the Paras who, c. 2004-6 were haemorrhaging blokes to PMCs. They decided it was better to recognise reality and allow year long "sabbaticals" than dish out severe finger-waggings and risk the blokes not coming back.

Young blokes ( this scheme is for Mnes and LCpls ) aren't generally big on putting together a spreadsheet, but they are big on not losing face. If it de-stigmatises returning to the fold, for not much bother or cash, it can't hurt.
 

Caecilius

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
The bootnecks' problem is that there isn't a war. Lads are passing a pretty hard course, and then sat doing "peacetime" bootneck-ing. Add in the Corps' complete inability to plan and execute that plan without changing their mind 7 times in 3 days, and the lads are just threaders.
Add in some truly insane career management methods, like minimising time in a GD role, and it's no surprise that the corps finds it hard to hold on to people.
 

Caecilius

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Care to expand? Genuinely interested in this...
RM all join the corps as infantry (GD, or general duties in RM speak) but at some point they'll be forcibly selected for another role. Sometimes they have a choice in role if it's unpopular, but often they'll be told that they're suddenly a driver or signaller 18 months after they leave CTC. They can later transfer to a trade they want, but that usually involves at least a significant mark-time in terms of rank.

I work with a lot of RM and they almost all love being Royal Marines but hate how the corps works.
 
RM all join the corps as infantry (GD, or general duties in RM speak) but at some point they'll be forcibly selected for another role. Sometimes they have a choice in role if it's unpopular, but often they'll be told that they're suddenly a driver or signaller 18 months after they leave CTC. They can later transfer to a trade they want, but that usually involves at least a significant mark-time in terms of rank.

I work with a lot of RM and they almost all love being Royal Marines but hate how the corps works.
You've survived Lympstone and now you're going to be a slop jockey - morale boost right there.
 
Care to expand? Genuinely interested in this...
RM all join the corps as infantry (GD, or general duties in RM speak) but at some point they'll be forcibly selected for another role. Sometimes they have a choice in role if it's unpopular, but often they'll be told that they're suddenly a driver or signaller 18 months after they leave CTC. They can later transfer to a trade they want, but that usually involves at least a significant mark-time in terms of rank.

I work with a lot of RM and they almost all love being Royal Marines but hate how the corps works.
To give a contrast with how the USMC works. They attend the recruitment offices, do the aptitude test and are offered a choice of roles in specialist trades. The choices are based on what the Corps wants, or needs on that particular day - some are fortunate and are slotted into the trade of their choosing. All are offered the GD Marine infantry role as a matter of course as all are trained as Marine infantry prior to going on to do any specialist trade training anyway. According to my bezzers, who both went as GD Marines, if you choose the GD route and have any brains and aptitude you very quickly get picked up for specialist infantry training anyway - breaching, sniping, diving, paracuting, various weapon systems. My mates (both GD) between them did the Scout Sniper, breaching, demolitions, federal govt close protection training (to work on Gen. Mattis detail), SERE instructor, high threat vehicle instructor, parachuting, diving and MARSOC. Keeps it interesting.
 
£10000 over 4 years.
£2500 per year.
£200 pcm (£160 after tax)
£40 per week.
£8 per day.

I’d not wager my mortgage on vast numbers taking up this offer, if I’m honest.
You missed NI in that calculation.
 
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