Madeline McCann - If her parents were chavscum ? Sympathy ?

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Not detracting from this tragic story and I hope against hope that she is found safe. We had a chat at lunch today. I threw in a comment that her parenst were white middle class professional medics and the sympathy vote. If they were fat, smoking, drinking, unemployed from Chavsville, Arizona would their be public sympathy ?

The bottom line is they left 3 wee ones unattended to go for a spot of supper. Forgetting the abduction, the risk of coughing, choking, an accident, playing with matches et al is v scary.

All of us have taken the wee ones on holiday and had to come back and spend the evening on the balcony whilst the childer are in bed. If they were working class and had been in "The Rose & Crown" quoffing €3 cocktails & Stella the Redtop press would have hung them out to dry. NOTW & the Scum "Evil Parents abandon kids in favour of Pina Colada's"

I don't think that Gary & Trisha from Essex/Wirral/Chatham would of got an audience with the pope and this global publicity. I do feel sorry for them but am surprised that no-one has criticised them. Working class folk who have left kids home alone to go to the Med have been jailed.

As a dad of 2 wee ones I would not think of leaving them in the accomodation. My two are 6 & 10 and are never more than 8 metres from me on holiday. It beggars belief that two parents could enjoy supper with no one minding the childer. As Dr's and part of a caring profession it is even worse.

What do you guys think ? Is there duplicity in the way the media has handled them. Should they be charged / interviewed ??
 
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58,

I've had this discussion with some oppo's as well who have kids-they wouldn't have left them unattended and I know if I had a rugrat, I wouldn't have done so either. Why did they do that when there was babysitting facilities and creche facilities available??? They're both doctors FFS, it's not as if they couldn't afford it.
 
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I think the difference in reporting tactics from the global media would be completely different, yes. But you should ask whether that is due more to the actions of the couple themselves (already assumed to be identical to those of the Mccann's in this example), or the viewpoints of society on White middle class (the society with the loudest voice is still, unfortunatley, albeit marginally, white middle class, and WMC look after their own) vs working class people.

In most crimes reported in the media, how "evil" someone is, is entirely down to what they do for a job.
 
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And what possible good does it do for any of us to say 'I wouldn't do that'?

Does it make us feel superior as people? Does it make us better parents to criticise the McCanns? It's pointless, totally and absolutely bloody pointless to judge these people for the mistake they made. They are in unbelievable agony every minute of every day, just living with what they did or didn't do, and the last thing they need is the public to be 'tut-tutting' at them from the moral high ground.

Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
 
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Awol said:
And what possible good does it do for any of us to say 'I wouldn't do that'?

Does it make us feel superior as people? Does it make us better parents to criticise the McCanns? It's pointless, totally and absolutely bloody pointless to judge these people for the mistake they made. They are in unbelievable agony every minute of every day, just living with what they did or didn't do, and the last thing they need is the public to be 'tut-tutting' at them from the moral high ground.

Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
Garbage. They deserve all the flack they get, and more. If it had been in the UK and they had gone to the PUB they would have stood a fair chance of getting nicked and charged with neglect.

I really don't give a rats ARRSE for their agony. They failed in their duty to protect that child. A child who is very probably dead and will not have a chance to grow up and make her own mistakes. Who knows what her future held in store for her, but the chances are now that she will never find out. All because her parents couldn't be ARRSED to use a bit of common sense.

They will probably go through their own personal hell for the rest of their lives and you know what? they deserve it!
 
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Before any of you get on your high horses and kick another band wagon off....the above was written by a different Biscuits...it wasn't f*cking me OK?
 
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Awol said:
And what possible good does it do for any of us to say 'I wouldn't do that'?

Does it make us feel superior as people? Does it make us better parents to criticise the McCanns? It's pointless, totally and absolutely bloody pointless to judge these people for the mistake they made. They are in unbelievable agony every minute of every day, just living with what they did or didn't do, and the last thing they need is the public to be 'tut-tutting' at them from the moral high ground.

Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
Awol,

The two of them are DOCTORS ffs. They have got no bloody excuse whatsoever for leaving their children unattended in a foreign country.
 

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Biscuits_AB said:
Before any of you get on your high horses and kick another band wagon off....the above was written by a different Biscuits...it wasn't f*cking me OK?
Got a stalker? :?
 
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BiscuitsAB said:
Awol said:
And what possible good does it do for any of us to say 'I wouldn't do that'?

Does it make us feel superior as people? Does it make us better parents to criticise the McCanns? It's pointless, totally and absolutely bloody pointless to judge these people for the mistake they made. They are in unbelievable agony every minute of every day, just living with what they did or didn't do, and the last thing they need is the public to be 'tut-tutting' at them from the moral high ground.

Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
Garbage. They deserve all the flack they get, and more. If it had been in the UK and they had gone to the PUB they would have stood a fair chance of getting nicked and charged with neglect.

I really don't give a rats ARRSE for their agony. They failed in their duty to protect that child. A child who is very probably dead and will not have a chance to grow up and make her own mistakes. Who knows what her future held in store for her, but the chances are now that she will never find out. All because her parents couldn't be ARRSED to use a bit of common sense.

They will probably go through their own personal hell for the rest of their lives and you know what? they deserve it!
Now that they know that there is public criticism, I'm sure they'll make sure that they don't do it again.
 
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the_matelot said:
Awol said:
And what possible good does it do for any of us to say 'I wouldn't do that'?

Does it make us feel superior as people? Does it make us better parents to criticise the McCanns? It's pointless, totally and absolutely bloody pointless to judge these people for the mistake they made. They are in unbelievable agony every minute of every day, just living with what they did or didn't do, and the last thing they need is the public to be 'tut-tutting' at them from the moral high ground.

Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
Awol,

The two of them are DOCTORS ffs. They have got no bloody excuse whatsoever for leaving their children unattended in a foreign country.
WTF has that got to do with it? You don't have to be medically qualified to love your kids, nor do you have to be chavscum to make mistakes.
 
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AWOL disagree. Life is based on judgement calls. I am no superior to a Dr or a refuse collector but also no junior or less important. I know they are going thru' hell. However my judgement is that they failed their kids. I am not quack like the McCanns who do make life & death calls as part of their day job. Wrong doseage or treatment may result in ending of a life. However I do take the moral high ground that my wee ones would never ever been out of my sight/earshot. I still find it incredulous that nobody has spoken out. They were probably so far up their own arse with so much money that they thought that they could go out for supper and abandon the wee ones. I would like to see the pair of them struck of the BMC register as unfit to be medics. If they can't control their duty of care as parents are they fit to deal with their duty of care of patients ?
 
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AWOL you are a thrapper. I have made many mistakes and will continue to do so. However my kids are #1 in my life and I would never make a mistake over their security, love and protection. They made a grave error of judgement and a bad mistake in leaving those kids alone so they could enjoy supper & it has come back to bite them.
 
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Awol said:
the_matelot said:
Awol said:
And what possible good does it do for any of us to say 'I wouldn't do that'?

Does it make us feel superior as people? Does it make us better parents to criticise the McCanns? It's pointless, totally and absolutely bloody pointless to judge these people for the mistake they made. They are in unbelievable agony every minute of every day, just living with what they did or didn't do, and the last thing they need is the public to be 'tut-tutting' at them from the moral high ground.

Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
Awol,

The two of them are DOCTORS ffs. They have got no bloody excuse whatsoever for leaving their children unattended in a foreign country.
WTF has that got to do with it? You don't have to be medically qualified to love your kids, nor do you have to be chavscum to make mistakes.
Leaving children, unattended is not a mistake, its not even an error of judgement.Its downright bloody negligent.
 
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Can this thread be locked please? It's been discussed over and over again, and personally BiscuitsAB (not to be confused with Bickies) I think you are a tube.

Sluggy xx
 
#16
Wasn't there something in the news today about a map with a possible location for this poor little buggers body? About 9 miles from where she was abducted from? A similar note was passed on a year ago about 2 belgian kiddies I think (sorry I just heard the report on Radio 1 whilst in the car earlier on)

Sorry all that press coverage in such a short time , high concentration, they effectively made that little girl too hot to handle , and if she is gone, its because of all the international press coverage.... But , my heart says better that shes had a short run of pain , than sold on to some sick b@st@rd child sex ring.

Her parents , in my honest opinion should never have left 3 little bairns unattended like that, ESPECIALLy in a foreign country. Even if they saw something , they were a good 3 to 400 metres away from the hotel room and who ever the abductor would've had it on their heels and into a car before they even managed to put their knife and fork down and shout for help. They were irresponsible, but the silly sods are paying now for their stupidity , sadly with what is quite possibly the loss of their baby girl, something I'd not wish on anyone, no matter how bloody stupid and deserving of 'some other ' punishment they are for thier foolishness.

I just hope if the little girl is dead, that she was gone before she suffered too much, and which ever sick tw@ took her rots in hell and gets theirs.
 
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Awol said:
Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
As with everyone else, I only hope that madeline is returned, alive and well, before long. That's my only opinion on the issue itself.

With regard to the very phrase "hope you never know what they are going through" though, why is the phrase always articulated with some sort of smug flourish as if to say "They are superior to you because they're suffering more than you" ?

Is it the same psychology that charities use to blackmail people into giving, part of the "these people have less, and are still happier than you" attitude?

I seriously don't understand the use of the phrase "Hope you never know what they are going through" in this context. I can understand it might be useful in the context of say, hardworking soldiers gritting their teeth and nobly sacrificing themselves for a government that hates them, but just how that translates to the case concerned is beyond me.
 
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Awol said:
And what possible good does it do for any of us to say 'I wouldn't do that'?

Does it make us feel superior as people? Does it make us better parents to criticise the McCanns? It's pointless, totally and absolutely bloody pointless to judge these people for the mistake they made. They are in unbelievable agony every minute of every day, just living with what they did or didn't do, and the last thing they need is the public to be 'tut-tutting' at them from the moral high ground.

Leave the poor sods alone, and hope you never know what they are going through.
Awol, it's been a long time coming but 'hear hear' - I wholeheartedly agree with your comments on this. They must be agonising over their own actions and thoroughly blaming themselves. They've been spurred into action, and have the means to do it, unlike many others.

Because so-called 'chavs' would have received a roasting, it doesn't make that right - and somehow the appropriate treatment. It's wicked and cruel to publicly attack the negligence of anybody who can't defend themselves.... in order to fill your sh1tty newspaper with crap and make money out of others' suffering.

I was worried when I saw Richard Branson offering a reward, and hoping that no unscrupulous crook sees that as a path to easy money in the future. Hopefully, the McCanns' suffering will be over soon - and she's found.
 
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ok after reading this thread you can all hate me again as I am locking it.
every time something appears on the news we are all good and being judge and jury. but at this moment in time WE DO NOT KNOW.....yes it is the rumour service and yes it is in the naafi.

but i would suggest that some of the statements maybe slightly exaggerated in regards to never leaving children out of earshot/eyesite etc. I am pretty sure we have all made that mistake at some point even within our own households.

so casting stones in glasshouses etc...for the present time anyway..
 
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