Lynx Question

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  1. Chaps,

    Quick Lynx question.

    How many seats in a Lynx?

    What kind of seat?

    What kiind of Seat Belt (if any)?

    What Risk assessment would a Cadet Force have to do to get in one?

    Thanks in advance
  2. Driving one, or as a passenger?
  3. What do you think?
  4. I quite like the "Sharp Focus" fragrence.
  5. Never thought of that.
  6. Army Lynx - probably 6 seats in cabin that will be used - 5 if there's a crewman. Two to three in the back probably won't be used. Plan for 5. If there's no crewman then the crew will stop the rotors and manage emplaning and the same will apply for deplaning. No warry drop offs, I'm afraid.

    Seats - nylon fabric on a steel frame. Cadets will probably find them comfortable; nobody else does.

    Quick release three point straps. Bright orange to aid checking.

    However, the process the crew go through to get an authorisation to carry your little darlings then brief them prior to the familiarisation sortie is more rigorous than any nosh risk assessment that some cadet commissariat wants you to fill out. Chances are that you are covered, and if you want to ask the Ac Comd deep and searching risk-based questions on the day be prepared for said Lynx to eff off over the horizon... Just call the unit that's supporting you to put your mind at rest.
  7. So the days of pitching-up at a FARP on a scheme to find a hoard of Spacies watching the cabs coming & going, and bunging half-a-dozen of them in the back for a quick wazz haven't gone down the pan?
  8. Yes - long gone - as well as the word 'scheme' which I haven't read since Spike Milligan's war diaries.
  9. 6 man seat. When flying cadets they usually fly 4 cadets plus one instructor to keep an eye on them and a rear crew member.

    see above.

    3 point harness.

    All flown iaw JHC flying order book J340.100. Cadet units should do their own risk assessment as well as the flying unit. There is also a med form the cadets have to fill out. Tasking from JHC tasking cell for approval.
  10. Also an ACF Det Com, we have done this a lot you need a risk assesement to cover the airfield and approach to the aircraft, the AAC have their own risk assessment which will supersede any that you do, I attach it to my risk assessment. You do need a permission to fly form which has a medical element to it for the parents to do, think there may be a copy of one on westminster. The aircrew will fit the cadets into the aircraft we had 5 in the back as long as the doors are shut there is no requirement for an instructor to fly, additionally you can do it doors open as long as there is an instructor in the back on one side and ideally a crewman clipped in on the opposite side (usually an air door gunner). Gazelle also has an Army-made cadet flying risk assess with it and the RAF have them for Chinook, Merlin and Puma. Best bet is check with your TSA unless hes a complete t**t he should help you out and poss have an example one, same principle works on landing craft and rigid raiders the RE and RLC have cadet risk assessments for these as well and are well worth trying to organise
  11. Having had cadets flown in Lynx (RN) ,Gazelle (AAC) ,Puma ,Wessex, Sea King (RN) ,Merlin plus C-130,VC-10 ,Nimrod ,Tri-Star and Tucano all the risk assesments are in place by the operators if it is organised properly ,all is usually required is parental consent ,with ATC it's in their 3822 log book, and a flight manifest for each flight, briefing done either by air or groundcrew. as for med form, ever seen one except for the class two medical examination and ejector seat training for the Tucano flight.
  12. This question comes up quite often so here is chapter and verse from the JHC Flying Order Book;



    J365.100.1 Guidance on sortie restrictions laid out in JSP550 D340 are applicable when cadets of the Air Training Corps (ATC), Army Cadet Forces (ACF), Sea Cadet Corps (SCC) and Combined Cadet Force (CCF) are being carried as passengers in JHC aircraft. The following exercises are not to be carried out:

    • a. Flight tests.
    • b. Formation flying, except for day tactical formation training sorties, providing that participating aircraft maintain at least 150 m horizontal separation.
    • c. Practice forced landings and practice emergencies that require the switching/ retarding of a throttle/ECL/SSL/ECS from the normal flight position.
    • d. Low flying, except on training/tasking by day, at the discretion of the Approving Officer.
    • e. Air Combat Training, Evasion Training and air-to-ground firing.
    • f. Display flying.

    J365.100.2 Cadets are to be made aware of the dangers of flying with a common cold. It is the Aircraft Commander’s responsibility to ensure that medical advice is sought where doubt exists as to whether or not a cadet is fit to fly.

    J365.100.3 Forms of Consent. Military cadets are required to obtain the written consent of a parent or guardian before they are allowed to fly in military aircraft. When cadets are to be carried, the authorizer, or the Aircraft Commander, is to check the forms of consent before the flight, and return them on completion of the flight. Forms of consent vary with different cadet forces as follows:
    • a. CCF Cadets. For CCF cadets of all 3 Services, a parent/guardian completes a form of consent which is included as part of the cadets Record Book (B/Cadet/2).
    • b. ATC Cadets. For ATC cadets, a parent/guardian completes RAF Form 3822A, which is held at the ATC unit. The Commander of the unit makes an entry in the cadet’s Record of Service (Form 3822) to confirm that the consent has been given.
    • c. ACF Cadets. For ACF cadets, parents/guardians must complete Part 2 of the Application for Enrolment (Army Form E 528B). This form includes a list of activities, including ‘Flying in Service or public civil aircraft’, which the cadet is permitted to undertake. Cadets wishing to fly in JHC aircraft are to provide a copy of Part 2 of the form. Some ACF cadets may still be using parental consent forms locally produced by individual ACF units. If these forms clearly state that a parent or guardian consents to the flying in Service aircraft, these forms are acceptable.
    • d. SCC Cadets. For SCC cadets, a parent/guardian completes Form SCC T1. Cadets intending to fly will take this form on all visits.

    Contact the Tasking Cell at JHC and they will steer you. As has been said above regarding risk assessment. The process the crew go through to actually go anywhere near an aircraft makes the actual flying for the cadets the safest part. If you need to put something down on paper as a part of your own risk assessment regarding the actual flying, quoting the above and also other sections of the JHC Flying Order Book will suffice. Just driving to the airfield poses more risk. Whichever unit has agreed to fly you, be assured the crew will be more than aware of what needs to happen. But remember, the aircraft has to be officially tasked by JHC to carry out the task.
  13. Smart female cadet instr can sit on pilots lap
  14. S'funny you should say that.....^~
  15. Best cadet at Linton always got a flight in the morning weather check through the low fly area that was being used that day ,I think this may have changed recently as all passenger flights now have to be cleared through 22 Gp. I have known of cadets also getting rear seat flights with Red 10 and in Tornado and Hawk.