Luton will now be a quieter and safer place

#3
After their appearance on Jeremy Kyle of course....
The mother and family of the victim made me laugh with all their concern, where have they been all these years?
Poor bugger.
 
#4
"When the 26-year-old escaped, James Watt traced him through his benefit payments and National Insurance number and he would be forced back in to captivity."

How were they even able to do this?
 
#6
He told the family: "In all my years, both on the bench and at the bar, I have only ever dealt with a handful of cases where the behaviour can properly be described as depraved and you can be rightly added to this list.

I take it he attends 3 PARAs Sgt Mess functions? 8O
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
Depraved is not the same as "debauched".....
 
#8
tearsbeforebedtime said:
Blacklisted said:
"When the 26-year-old escaped, James Watt traced him through his benefit payments and National Insurance number and he would be forced back in to captivity."

How were they even able to do this?
Had me wondering as well.
Through a criminally gross breach of professional standards by the HMRC by the sound of it.

Not wishing to get old and bold about it, but when I was doing my time in the DSS (10 years+ ago) it was made very clear that personal data was NOT to be divulged.
It appears in this case that Watts, having got hold of the victims' NI number, has phoned up a benefits office, and basically said.
"Hello. I'm Mr Gilbert. Please can you tell me where I'm signing on at the moment."
And whoever answered the call went "Yes. You are at....", without asking any questions.

Now, it SHOULD have alerted your average Civil Servant that most 'clients' can generally remember this. Many long term dole dependants might have difficulty remembering their own names, but they can always remember where they go for their benefits.

Lots of not-very-nice-at-all people would dearly love access to the benefits database, as it would allow them to find old 'friends', and kill/maim them. For that reason, there used to be very strict data protection safeguards. For some reason, these appear to have been abandoned, or the staff just don't appear to have followed basic security procedures.

Someone in the modern HMRC needs to be crucified for this. They are accomplices to abduction and murder. Personally and professionally, this case makes my blood boil.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
Can I suggest that you edit your post to remove HMRC, and insert "Benefits Agency"? As to whether that's where the blame lies, let's leave that to the case review shall we?
 
#10
HectortheInspector said:
Lots of not-very-nice-at-all people would dearly love access to the benefits database, as it would allow them to find old 'friends', and kill/maim them. For that reason, there used to be very strict data protection safeguards. For some reason, these appear to have been abandoned, or the staff just don't appear to have followed basic security procedures.

Someone in the modern HMRC needs to be crucified for this. They are accomplices to abduction and murder. Personally and professionally, this case makes my blood boil.
But of course all information on Government databases is secure. That's why ID cards, the NHS records thing, the list of children etc should go ahead.

If there was any risk of leaks then celbrities & people like members of parliament would be able to opt out of inclusion. Oh, they can? Why?
 
#11
Mr_Fingerz said:
Can I suggest that you edit your post to remove HMRC, and insert "Benefits Agency"? As to whether that's where the blame lies, let's leave that to the case review shall we?
DWP do the front line stuff, as the old Benefits Agency got merged with the Employment Service in about 2002. The National Insurance computers are all run out of the HMRC site at Longbenton.

I'm happy to let the case review do it's thing. But blame there is, and that's not going to go away in a hurry.
 
#12
Who knows what lies the DSS were told by these dreadful people, I dont think you can blame the DSS for his murder or the years of abuse.... or the neglect of his own family...
 
#13
CaptainPlume said:
HectortheInspector said:
Lots of not-very-nice-at-all people would dearly love access to the benefits database, as it would allow them to find old 'friends', and kill/maim them. For that reason, there used to be very strict data protection safeguards. For some reason, these appear to have been abandoned, or the staff just don't appear to have followed basic security procedures.

Someone in the modern HMRC needs to be crucified for this. They are accomplices to abduction and murder. Personally and professionally, this case makes my blood boil.
But of course all information on Government databases is secure. That's why ID cards, the NHS records thing, the list of children etc should go ahead.

If there was any risk of leaks then celbrities & people like members of parliament would be able to opt out of inclusion. Oh, they can? Why?
A database is only as secure as the bloke operating it, whether it is electronic, paper, or baked clay tablet.

The celebrity is more at risk than the average member of the public. They can have additional levels of security added, to stop nosy intruders (or fans.) looking into their lives. They can sometimes go on subsets of the main system for additional security, in much the same way that say, people in witness protection can.

None of this will protect you if someone phones up the organisation, and some ignorant or negligent muppet decides to open the file and just tells the caller what's on record. That's the real failure in this case. Not hardware or software. Humanware.
 
#14
I understand that, Hector, but I found it most amusing when that Childcare database was launched. We proles were told that the security was quite good enough for us but that the Blairs (for example) would be exempt from registering their offspring. Not on some subset, not there with extra security, EXEMPT!

Time was when our "leaders" would do so by example. It now seems that "good enough for Government work" applies to what we, the people, are granted while the apparat gets the Rolls Royce solution.
 
#15
In any civilised society, these people would have been locked up or dealt with long ago. The fact is, stories like this are hardly surprising when you read stories of burlgars with 400 convictions being handed 'community sentences' and the like.

Watch 'road wars'. For the most part, the coppers seem quite professional and manage to identify and apprehend the people who are committing crime. However, at the end of each 'story', they tell you what sentence was handed down and it almost always defies common sense.
 
#16
Gracie said:
Who knows what lies the DSS were told by these dreadful people, I dont think you can blame the DSS for his murder or the years of abuse.... or the neglect of his own family...
I don't blame the liars. I don't even blame someone who believed them.
I blame the stupid, criminally negligent arrse who broke every basic rule of customer data protection.

If I had a big bucket of blame going spare I could also ask why no one followed up on the clear case of abduction and false imprisonment that ensued...
 
#17
CaptainPlume said:
I understand that, Hector, but I found it most amusing when that Childcare database was launched. We proles were told that the security was quite good enough for us but that the Blairs (for example) would be exempt from registering their offspring. Not on some subset, not there with extra security, EXEMPT!

Time was when our "leaders" would do so by example. It now seems that "good enough for Government work" applies to what we, the people, are granted while the apparat gets the Rolls Royce solution.
Well, that was after my time. Leading by example appears to have gone out with plus-fours and handlebar moustaches, although my single handed attempt to re-introduce these does not appear to have gone down well. (Especially with Mrs HTI)
I have spent my career being 'just good enough for Government work'. If you go around raising expectations, I may be forced to resign.

Fair point though. The divide between the ruled and the ruling has widened. But is that because the ruled have let it happen? If the electorate choose to vote for a snake oil salesman who would take away their hard earned rights, that's their choice. Of course, my sympathy runs a bit thin when they KEEP ON electing him.
 
#18
Another government department covering itself in glory, and "our" leaders wonder why people don't want the NHS "big brother" data bank or ID cards.
But as per. no-one will be fired for this f.uck up.
CG
 
#19
Mr_Fingerz said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8643426.stm (c) Auntie.


The trial judge has gone the whole hog on this family, I hope that any appeal gets bounced as far as it will go.

Good drills the judge. Just a pity the death sentance was'nt available to him. While I do not normally agree with capital punishment, in this particular case I can see no valid reason for keeping these depraved, cowardly, sadistic untermenchen alive. :evil:
 

mercurydancer

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
What I find somewhat incomprehensible is that the police have been called on to investigate this horrible family numerous times and have not discovered a vulnerable adult. Its not the police's fault that the Watts were the worst type of scum, but perhaps if they had looked a little harder at the situation then the poor simple soul would be alive today.
 

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