LSW, LMG and 60mm to go

ugly

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Nah, it's pretty enough (looks a bit like this) but it's not real gun porn. I don't fondle it every day, carry it in public, or insist that it will defend me against Tyranny; it just gets hauled out every couple of weeks to shoot my league cards for the club, then given a quick push-through and chucked back in the cupboard. Granted, the jacket's getting tighter, but then it is fifteen years old...

The full bondage gear doesn't get used much since I stopped doing standing / kneeling competitions, and my SCATT really isn't what it sounds like. More a one-lane SAT or DCCT...

Nice chaps
 
Large volume of inaccurate fire = ineffective + wasteful, which would seem to argue the weapon is good for suppression.

On the other hand, you've got to win your fire fight first: which is an argument for a weapon that can deliver heavy fire, accurately*, or so it seems to me.
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* And a firer with the skills to match
I've been thinking about the LSW competition that we fired in had look at Kingsbury on Google Maps. We seem to have started at 500m and run down to 300m. The target for 500m was 3 Fig 11s on a screen I think.
 
I think its just technology slowly catching up, especially with the drive for shorter barrels and lighter weapons, the need to deal with the extra flash and muzzle climb blast is more apparent. Things like breaks and flash suppressors have been around for a long time but it is just refining them into something that is practical and where possible dual purpose.
South Africa (I think) developed a compensator for the FAL back in the 70s. The assessment I heard is that it's fine, but you have to train with it a bit because you end up *over* compensating for the push-down. Probably less of an issue with 5.56 though.
 
5.56 is lethal at 1km but any sort of wind is going to make it unlikely you will get a hit at that range. possibly if you find yourself in Mogadishu with delta force and their very short barrel m16's lethality might be a problem but its more likely you missed unless you can find the target and then hit it doesnt matter what calibre and bullet type you miss with.
 
Let's say a SOCOM556-SB2 SOCOM 2 Series Sound Suppressor (Silencer) costs $1,099.00 plus what ever gubbins you need to attach it.

and the issue (I think!) EP3 SONIC DEFENDERS cost $13.95

this means for 1 suppressor you can buy approx 78 sets of earpro and just tell the troops to wear the damn things.

MoD duty of care 101. Doubt suppressors'll ever be on general issue...
But if you issue suppressors you won't have to issue ear defence to the locals near ranges and you could extend shooting times.
 
South Africa (I think) developed a compensator for the FAL back in the 70s. The assessment I heard is that it's fine, but you have to train with it a bit because you end up *over* compensating for the push-down. Probably less of an issue with 5.56 though.
They do have to be "tuned" to the weapon they are being used on. I've seen a similar effect when evaluating different muzzle devices on LMG's (5.56 Minimi). It is a strange sensation when the gun is trying to do the opposite to what your used too.
 

napier

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Want a compact belt fed MG?
 
Interesting gat, and one the Russian military actually asked for, instead of the LSW which we got, basically whether we wanted it or not.
I'm just waiting for the first Russian skillie to whine that it can only be fired from the right shoulder, and the Russian equivalent of the Fun Police (or at least, their rather-impressive operational analysis blokes) to insist that the average Jockski will cope fine with using their right eye.
 
South Africa (I think) developed a compensator for the FAL back in the 70s. The assessment I heard is that it's fine, but you have to train with it a bit because you end up *over* compensating for the push-down. Probably less of an issue with 5.56 though.
I have an original DNTC brake on a FAL para.
Very effective indeed but terribly antisocial for use on a formal range, or when anyone is nearby, as the muzzle blast is directed backwards & sideways:

dntc.jpg
 
I'm just waiting for the first Russian skillie to whine that it can only be fired from the right shoulder, and the Russian equivalent of the Fun Police (or at least, their rather-impressive operational analysis blokes) to insist that the average Jockski will cope fine with using their right eye.
Where's that 'wry smile' button when you really need it . . . ?
 
The bullpup Pecheneg would be the first bullpup machine-gun I'd actually like a shot at. Literally. It's an improved lighter and shorter version of the PK, and those are pretty bomb-proof, to begin with.
 

rampant

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The bullpup Pecheneg would be the first bullpup machine-gun I'd actually like a shot at. Literally. It's an improved lighter and shorter version of the PK, and those are pretty bomb-proof, to begin with.
Interesting deflector they have on the left side to redirect the spent cases
 

Cutaway

LE
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Did the GPMG have a belt bag ?

Thought not.
Bad form quoting oneself, but I'd like to thank all you gents who replied to the post with decent gen.
I was actually aware of many of the field expedients and issued items mentioned, and have used a couple including the SADF issued bag, both on the MAG and the Brit GPMG.
Thanks for the i/p, although my comment was directed towards the post comparing fire & movement with the L4 to the L7. Yes, yes, the A2.
 

ugly

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Bad form quoting oneself, but I'd like to thank all you gents who replied to the post with decent gen.
I was actually aware of many of the field expedients and issued items mentioned, and have used a couple including the SADF issued bag, both on the MAG and the Brit GPMG.
Thanks for the i/p, although my comment was directed towards the post comparing fire & movement with the L4 to the L7. Yes, yes, the A2.
F&M with the General was easier than with the LMG, although mag changes could be as quick as popping on a new belt it meant that you were restricted to 30 rounds before a reload!
I only did patrols and contact drills with the LMG, everything else was the General
 

Cutaway

LE
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F&M with the General was easier than with the LMG, although mag changes could be as quick as popping on a new belt it meant that you were restricted to 30 rounds before a reload!
I only did patrols and contact drills with the LMG, everything else was the General
On returning from one leave I pitched with a slack handful of the SADF issue belt bags and offered them to the Drums SNCO who glanced at them and told me they'd not fit the GPMG...
They found a welcome home elsewhere.
 

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