LSGC eligibility.

#1
Would a 3 month warning order and/or 50 quid fine from the CO in basic training prevent me from getting the LS and GC?
 
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#3
Couldn't honestly say. Considering the number of 252s and consequent fines I picked up in my first unit - at Sqn rather than Regt level, the award of the medal came as a bit of a surprise. If you were a bit naughty at Basic I can't see it following you around forever.

NB Usual disclaimers apply, this being Arrse.
 
#4
It depends if it was a regt entry or not. If not then it shouldn't be on your conduct sheet, especially as company conduct sheets don't follow you onwards from training. I got 8 days ROPs, in trg, then £100 fine as a full screw and still got one. As long as the CO recommends you you should be ok.
 
#5
one year clear of entries on company conduct sheet, post-training - sheet destroyed. It doesn't matter if you have entries of a Regt sort, the application must be made at the 14 yr, 1 day point. It's the recommendation and decision of the board that gets you the gong. Good luck..
 
#6
Moosaca said:
one year clear of entries on company conduct sheet, post-training - sheet destroyed. It doesn't matter if you have entries of a Regt sort, the application must be made at the 14 yr, 1 day point. It's the recommendation and decision of the board that gets you the gong. Good luck..
Not strictly correct, Any Regt Entry could sway the person making the recommendation one way or another (if you didn;t have a regt Entry it wouldn't matter), or as happened in several cases I dealt with some years ago, despite being recommended by the CO, the Board decided against awarding LS&GC due to the Regt Entries held. So of course matters if you have Regt Entries.
 
#7
Confusingly, QRs paras 5.393 to 5.396 refer mostly to regimental entries, but then require the CO to state he has scrutinised both AF B 120 (regimental conduct sheet) and AF B 121 (company conduct sheet).

QRs also state that:

5.395. Recommendation. Only those soldiers who are in every way worthy of the distinction and whose conduct has
been irreproachable throughout their service should be recommended. The standard of `Irreproachable', which is higher
than the minimum standard required for a grading of `Exemplary' defined in paras 9.448 to 9.459, will normally be a
regimental conduct sheet completely clear of any disciplinary entry. In exceptional and really deserving cases, however,
a recommendation for the award of the medal may be submitted if in the opinion of the commanding officer the
offences recorded on the soldier's conduct sheets are trivial or of a technical nature where there is no evidence of
deliberate misconduct. All such cases are referred to a selection board and are invariably to be supported by a statement
by the commanding officer giving the reason why it is considered that the normal qualification should be set aside and,
to assist the selection board in deciding whether, or to what extent, an offence may be condoned, by a further statement
giving full details of the circumstances in which each offence entered on the regimental conduct sheets was committed.
Any mitigating feature should be stated and included in either of the above statements.
Good luck!
 
#8
Phil37,

Even if you're not eligible it's not the end of the world, it's one less gong to polish and not being awarded it has never hurt any career of many a WO1/2 that I know.

Good luck.
 
#9
Not really relevent to me (left at the 13 year point), but i am curious nevertheless..

I recieved a regimental entry (must have been as I was charged by the CO?) at 17 years of age for getting a tattoo (a horrible rendition of a cartoon Tony the Tiger, although when I was 17 it looked more like a piece of Mystical Samurai artwork).

Anyway, that was the whole of my criminal career in Her Majesty's finest.

Would that have prevented me from recieving the coverted LSGC, or would it be worth me reinlisting for another 524 days so I can feel complete?
 
#12
theslayerofmen said:
Not really relevent to me (left at the 13 year point), but i am curious nevertheless..

I recieved a regimental entry (must have been as I was charged by the CO?) at 17 years of age for getting a tattoo (a horrible rendition of a cartoon Tony the Tiger, although when I was 17 it looked more like a piece of Mystical Samurai artwork).

Anyway, that was the whole of my criminal career in Her Majesty's finest.

Would that have prevented me from recieving the coverted LSGC, or would it be worth me reinlisting for another 524 days so I can feel complete?
Just because you were seen for a charge before the CO does not necessarily mean his award was a Regimental Entry. He may have given you a punishment which was below that considered to be a Regimental Entry (i.e he may have only given you 5 days ROPs and not the 14 days ROPs which constitute a Regimental Entry (forgive me if I am wrong in the amount of ROPs which are a Regimental Entry - it has been some time since I dealt with this)).
 
#13
I see. I got seven days and £150. At the time he threatened to kick us out; I for one was very glad of the punishment (seemed light compared to a discharge!). On reflection I wonder of it was a tad harsh (£150 was half a months wage back then!). Then again, the rules were made clear to us. I chose to break them. If I had known I woulda stayed in for that little bit longer :roll:
 
#15
Mate, as Tommo says you don't need it anyway.

It never did my career any harm not having the LS&GC.

I'm getting Full Corporal next week after 21 years.
 
#16
Tommo5050 said:
Phil37,

Even if you're not eligible it's not the end of the world, it's one less gong to polish and not being awarded it has never hurt any career of many a WO1/2 that I know.

Good luck.
Nor many LE Officers, for that matter!

Anyway, it provides a topic of conversation in the Mess when things might otherwise go quiet. "So, RSM, how come you don't have the LS&GC...?"

I am certain that a lot of otherwise mundane stories are suitably embellished long after the event!

:D

Litotes
 
#17
Back in the v early 90's I was waiting on in the Sgt's mess which included our SSM (who we will call Dickie) who had done all his time in BAOR and had been a bad boy early on. The reprobates lower down the table broke into song

"Ching ching, ching ching
Our medals they go ching ching
But Dikies medals they go......................................."

Cue 2 second gap then loud noises as scrap breaks out - happy times
 
#18
devexwarrior said:
Back in the v early 90's I was waiting on in the Sgt's mess which included our SSM (who we will call Dickie) who had done all his time in BAOR and had been a bad boy early on. The reprobates lower down the table broke into song

"Ching ching, ching ching
Our medals they go ching ching
But Dikies medals they go......................................."

Cue 2 second gap then loud noises as scrap breaks out - happy times
Bloody funny if you were there, I bet, but you couldn't do that these days.... except at Major and above in the Officers' Mess, perhaps!

:D

Litotes
 
#19
nark said:
Mate, as Tommo says you don't need it anyway.

It never did my career any harm not having the LS&GC.

I'm getting Full Corporal next week after 21 years.
Ha Ha, sweet. You must have gone to the same school of not behaving particularly well when asked to play nice as I did.
 
#20
perhaps email me when i'm sober but i have just got my ls&gc after 24 yrs . once i left. i was only awol 4 days and got a servre reprimand and £500 fine, enough for a regt entry. what you have to look for is the qualifying criteria which if i am correct and please feel free to correct me anyonel, is 14 yrs service with exemplarary service. i had my misdemeanour 17yrs ago. it was 4 days awol but becuase i was RMP was made an example of and received a £500 fine and severe reprimand. the CO also made a note on my record that i should never get the LSGC. what the CO didn't reckon on was the Veng so i got an extra 2 yrs service which meant by the time i left, i actually had over 17 yrs since my misdeameanour and seeing as i had done nothing else wrong meant my record of service had to show that i had an exemplaray service therefore meeting all the criteria for the LS&GC. subsequently i submitted an application for the award of the LS&GC and got it awarded. reading this back makes no sense maybe because i'm drunk but hay after 24 yrs service i got my ls&GC so who gives ones. PS i have tried to finds an email address for Col Des Bergen who was the twat who thought he could deprive me of an LS&GC so i could tell him that despite his efforts i've still got my LS&GC
 

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