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LPPV Contenders at DVD

#1
Did my usual pilgrimage to DVD yesterday. A lot bigger than previous years. Took some photos of the contenders of the LPPV contract.

Supacats contender.



Force Protection (Mastiff etc) submission called Ocelot.

Ocelot, with its torsion bar suspension.

Inside of Ocelot, quite roomy actually and between the 2 seemed bigger.

A regular visitor to DVD, Ranger family of PPV's. This is the 8 wheeled version.

This was touted as a SF type form of transport. Sounded good as well.

Back end of BRONCO, Viking replacement for HERRICK

Front end.

WOLFHOUND, basically a MASTIFF load carrier. Not yet deployed but hopefully soon will be.

Looks like a LR crewcab, well actually its a Battlefield Ambulance, surplus which are part of a program to convert them to these. From what i gather the Pinz alongside will form the RB44 long awaited replacements.
 
#2
Though Warthog was the replacement for Viking?

I like the 8 wheeled beast, I bet thats great fun to drive around the narrow, road ways in Nadi e ali :D

The little SF thing looks like one of the Paris Dakar rally cars
 
#3
Listening to a report on Sky News yesterday, they were giving the impression that it was almost a done deal to go with Ocelot (or the report came over to me as being 99.9% done deal). They were all over the Ocelot like a tramp on chips, when it came to Supacat it was almost like "Oh yes, this is the other one). Good pictures though.
 
#4
From Waitout.
"The little SF thing looks like one of the Paris Dakar rally cars"


To my "Top Gear" educamacated eye, it looks even more like a mil-spec
version of a Bowler Wildcat. Weighs over a tonne and will out-accelerate a Porsche.

Tam
 

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#5
waitout said:
Though Warthog was the replacement for Viking?

I like the 8 wheeled beast, I bet thats great fun to drive around the narrow, road ways in Nadi e ali :D

The little SF thing looks like one of the Paris Dakar rally cars
Same thing, just we decided to rename it.
 
#6
Weights over a Tonne and out accelerates a Porche

I want, I want, I want, I want :twisted:

Why Bronco? surely thats an Americanism

Much prefer Warthog suits the good looking lines of it :D
 

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#7
re Bronco, Don't ask me, ask the Singapore chaps who designed and built.

You're not the only one who wants a Bowler either, having said that Foley Specialist Vehicles do some rather natty 6x6 LR conversions that will go anywhere, not as fast but solid as a rock.
 
#8
waitout said:
Though Warthog was the replacement for Viking?

I like the 8 wheeled beast, I bet thats great fun to drive around the narrow, road ways in Nadi e ali :D

The little SF thing looks like one of the Paris Dakar rally cars
My mistake...thats a throw back a fair bit ago when i was asked to provide info on my area of expertise before Bronco/Warthog was in the public domain!
 
#9
buttonsin3s said:
Listening to a report on Sky News yesterday, they were giving the impression that it was almost a done deal to go with Ocelot (or the report came over to me as being 99.9% done deal). They were all over the Ocelot like a tramp on chips, when it came to Supacat it was almost like "Oh yes, this is the other one). Good pictures though.
It may of sounded like that but i think Sky may of leant towards Ocelot as FP had a few Ocelots on different stands, whereas Supacat had theirs in the Supacat Marquee. Luckily i was walking around the whole displays with some who has been involved in both of them and both do "what its says on the tin" but in different ways, good or bad. But hey, its the money men that tend to have the say.
 
#12
There was another SPV400 hiding in the protected mobility area, but you had to be looking.
Other than that, there were loads of Mastiff/Wolfhound/Ridgebacks - If it weren't for the dozens of Jackals about the place you might have thought the whole thing was sponsored by Force Protection.

There were a fair few different Warriors there as well, a couple of Warthogs and a scattering of other types.
 
#13
coxy93 said:
Went for the first time on Wednesday, got all the new kit and a few older weapons like the prototype l85s. Will definately be going again
I saw that as well, very rare to see the EM2 anywhere, which was the forerunner to the SA80 family years ago.
 
#14
CH512O said:
coxy93 said:
Went for the first time on Wednesday, got all the new kit and a few older weapons like the prototype l85s. Will definately be going again
I saw that as well, very rare to see the EM2 anywhere, which was the forerunner to the SA80 family years ago.
I reckon that there are probably only 4 or 5 EM2s left in the UK - I know of one in the National Firearms Centre, one at Shrivenham, one at Warminster and that one that was on display. Maybe the IWM has one too?

I must admit that I had 'words' with the chap running that table, that they really ought to be taking a bit more care of an important historical article like that.
 

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#15
Gun_Nut said:
I reckon that there are probably only 4 or 5 EM2s left in the UK - I know of one in the National Firearms Centre, one at Shrivenham, one at Warminster and that one that was on display. Maybe the IWM has one too?

I must admit that I had 'words' with the chap running that table, that they really ought to be taking a bit more care of an important historical article like that.
I have never had the opurtunity to play with one of those, though I have fiddled with every one of its owk'ard step children, I would love to see the insides to see how it work in comparison. Don't suppose you have a exploded view diagram of the workings by any chance?
 
#17
rampant said:
Gun_Nut said:
I reckon that there are probably only 4 or 5 EM2s left in the UK - I know of one in the National Firearms Centre, one at Shrivenham, one at Warminster and that one that was on display. Maybe the IWM has one too?

I must admit that I had 'words' with the chap running that table, that they really ought to be taking a bit more care of an important historical article like that.
I have never had the opurtunity to play with one of those, though I have fiddled with every one of its owk'ard step children, I would love to see the insides to see how it work in comparison. Don't suppose you have a exploded view diagram of the workings by any chance?
Chapter and verse here, including a picture of the mechanism:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as59-e.htm

Ergonomics and balance are really excellent. The optic is adequate, but still pretty amazing when you consider it is late '40s technology.
 
#18
Discovery001 said:
The SF car is a bowler varient, Tomcat, Wiladcat or Neminis, I suspect the later, go to see this link to see when one crashes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvUp-5bR6IQ
It's a tomcat, the nemesis is a much bigger beastie. As for the Raier ambulance conversion, the arts exchange turns it into a bog standard LR 130 double cab pick-up.

As for LPPV, why not just put windows and a roof on the Jackal? The only reason I can see is that Supacat want to stop paying license fees to LM-HMT
 
#19
Grey24-7 said:
As for LPPV, why not just put windows and a roof on the Jackal? The only reason I can see is that Supacat want to stop paying license fees to LM-HMT
'cos it would be sh#te!

The 2 contenders who have got this far in the L-PPV contest have done so because they understand the principle of 'bottom-up' design for buried blast protection.

...just realised the potential folly of using the phrase 'bottom-up' on Arrse!
 
#20
You do realise that at 7 tons it isn't going to be all that protected anyway, as proven by the RG-31 Mk1 (which terry took great pleasure in obliterating, and posting the vids)
 

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