Lord Foulkes accuses Dannatt of disloyalty

#1
Ah, enter a Labour toerag of the very worst possible kind.

Fury at Labour peer’s attack on ‘disloyal’ Dannatt


"A senior Labour peer sparked outrage today by accusing Britain's military chiefs of giving “succour” to the Taliban.

Former defence minister Lord Foulkes of Cumnock accused the head of the Armed Forces and the Army's chief of making comments that “threaten to undermine” the UK's effort in Afghanistan.

Speaking in the Lords, he called for defence minister Baroness Taylor of Bolton to remind Army head General Sir Richard Dannatt and Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup of the “importance of loyalty”.

Last Friday Sir Jock went to Downing Street with a list of requirements for British troops drawn up by Gen Dannatt.

"Lord Foulkes, an Intelligence and Security Committee member, told Lady Taylor: “In this media dominated age it is even more important than ever to maintain a united front in dealing with ruthless and cunning enemies like the Taliban and al-Qaeda...the public comments of Sir Richard Dannatt and Sir Jock Stirrup threaten to undermine our effort in Afghanistan and give succour to the enemy.”

Shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth said: “It is outrageous for Lord Foulkes to accuse an outstanding general of helping to undermine the mission in Afghanistan General Dannatt has not only inspired his men through his military leadership, but has done more than anyone else to generate tremendous public support.”


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...+peer+s+attack+on+disloyal+Dannatt/article.do
 
#2
Speaking in the Lords, he called for defence minister Baroness Taylor of Bolton to remind Army head General Sir Richard Dannatt and Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup of the “importance of loyalty”
Perhaps the "importance of loyalty" is something of which Lord Foulkes of Cumnock needs to remind himself.
 
#4
Blogg said:
Ah, enter a Labour toerag of the very worst possible kind.

Fury at Labour peer’s attack on ‘disloyal’ Dannatt


"A senior Labour peer sparked outrage today by accusing Britain's military chiefs of giving “succour” to the Taliban.

Former defence minister Lord Foulkes of Cumnock accused the head of the Armed Forces and the Army's chief of making comments that “threaten to undermine” the UK's effort in Afghanistan.

Speaking in the Lords, he called for defence minister Baroness Taylor of Bolton to remind Army head General Sir Richard Dannatt and Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup of the “importance of loyalty”.

Last Friday Sir Jock went to Downing Street with a list of requirements for British troops drawn up by Gen Dannatt.

"Lord Foulkes, an Intelligence and Security Committee member, told Lady Taylor: “In this media dominated age it is even more important than ever to maintain a united front in dealing with ruthless and cunning enemies like the Taliban and al-Qaeda...the public comments of Sir Richard Dannatt and Sir Jock Stirrup threaten to undermine our effort in Afghanistan and give succour to the enemy.”

Shadow defence minister Gerald Howarth said: “It is outrageous for Lord Foulkes to accuse an outstanding general of helping to undermine the mission in Afghanistan General Dannatt has not only inspired his men through his military leadership, but has done more than anyone else to generate tremendous public support.”


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...+peer+s+attack+on+disloyal+Dannatt/article.do


Another attack on a decent bloke shame really, but whats anybody on here going to do about it? nothing! Mr Potato head went, the Naafi bars died. the fires gone out of this place and if you look over there in the corner theres a small boy pissing on the ashes.

Adeo quod gratiae pro totus piscis piscis
 

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#6
Lets look at the contenders General Dannet v Lord Toady of fukwittyness

Mcfuckwitty

As Baron Foulkes of Cumnock, former Labour MP George Foulkes sports a title as florid as his ample cheeks.
His opinions are equally colourful and frequently targeted at anyone who has the temerity to question Government policies or the activities of his friends.

His name is a byword in Westminster for unthinking tribalism and shameless sycophancy. One writer once complained: 'His toadying is becoming embarrassing even by Westminster standards.'
But his accomplishments in the military arena are rather less striking. As one MP put it yesterday: 'The only fighting George has ever been interested in is fighting his way to the bar.'

Indeed it was his taste for drink which summarily ended his only experience of the Armed Forces.
He was Labour's defence spokesman in opposition between 1992 and 1993 but was forced to resign after he admitted assault and being drunk and disorderly following a reception hosted by the Scotch Whisky Association.
He spent a night in police custody and was fined £1,050.

Lord Foulkes - whose Gordon Highlander grandfather won the military medal in the First World War - became an MP in 1979 after a career in student politics and local government.
When Labour won power in 1997 he was Clare Short's deputy at the Department for International Development. After a couple of other jobs he got a peerage in 2005.

General Sir Richard Dannatt MC

General Sir Richard Dannatt has been the most outspoken Army chief of recent years.
The first 37 of his 40 years of service saw him win a reputation as a cool and accomplished safe pair of hands.

Telling the truth about soldiers' pay, living conditions and equipment made him a popular figure with frontline troops, who affectionately dubbed him 'the Reverend' because of his profound religious beliefs.

The General himself had risen through the ranks after distinguished service with the Green Howards which garnered him a Military Cross in Northern Ireland at just 22

I know who I trust and would rather have speaking out for me
 
#7
My understanding has always been that an officer’s loyalty is first and foremost to those under his command. Gen Dannatt is doing his job, while certain politicians are doing their best to undermine him. (Acceptable) words fail me.
 
#8
ScouseD said:
My understanding has always been that an officer’s loyalty is first and foremost to those under his command. Gen Dannatt is doing his job, while certain politicians are doing their best to undermine him. (Acceptable) words fail me.
Technically it's to HMTQ.

Ffoulkes would do well to remember that it's HMTQ in person and not 'the Crown'. And perhaps he can look up 'loyalty' while he's about it.
 
#9
The majority of the members on here will be fully aware of the mud slinging towards the outgoing CGS at the moment, the Government are on a losing battle on this issue.
 
#10
the_boy_syrup said:
Lets look at the contenders General Dannet v Lord Toady of fukwittyness

Mcfuckwitty

As Baron Foulkes of Cumnock, former Labour MP George Foulkes sports a title as florid as his ample cheeks.
His opinions are equally colourful and frequently targeted at anyone who has the temerity to question Government policies or the activities of his friends.

His name is a byword in Westminster for unthinking tribalism and shameless sycophancy. One writer once complained: 'His toadying is becoming embarrassing even by Westminster standards.'
But his accomplishments in the military arena are rather less striking. As one MP put it yesterday: 'The only fighting George has ever been interested in is fighting his way to the bar.'

Indeed it was his taste for drink which summarily ended his only experience of the Armed Forces.
He was Labour's defence spokesman in opposition between 1992 and 1993 but was forced to resign after he admitted assault and being drunk and disorderly following a reception hosted by the Scotch Whisky Association.
He spent a night in police custody and was fined £1,050.

Lord Foulkes - whose Gordon Highlander grandfather won the military medal in the First World War - became an MP in 1979 after a career in student politics and local government.
When Labour won power in 1997 he was Clare Short's deputy at the Department for International Development. After a couple of other jobs he got a peerage in 2005.

General Sir Richard Dannett MC

General Sir Richard Dannatt has been the most outspoken Army chief of recent years.
The first 37 of his 40 years of service saw him win a reputation as a cool and accomplished safe pair of hands.

Telling the truth about soldiers' pay, living conditions and equipment made him a popular figure with frontline troops, who affectionately dubbed him 'the Reverend' because of his profound religious beliefs.

The General himself had risen through the ranks after distinguished service with the Green Howards which garnered him a Military Cross in Northern Ireland at just 22

I know who I trust and would rather have speaking out for me
:clap: :clap: :clap:
 
#11
hackle said:
Speaking in the Lords, he called for defence minister Baroness Taylor of Bolton to remind Army head General Sir Richard Dannatt and Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup of the “importance of loyalty”
Perhaps the "importance of loyalty" is something of which Lord Foulkes of Cumnock needs to remind himself.
And while he's at it, perhaps he should also be reminded that public service is not (or at least should not be) entirely consistent with being a moaning, incompetent, mind numbingly stupid, self-serving, sycophantic piece of faeces who isn't fit to lick the bacteria on the soles of Gen Dannatt's muddiest pair of (probably greeen) wellies.
 
#12
beemer007 said:
The majority of the members on here will be fully aware of the mud slinging towards the outgoing CGS at the moment, the Government are on a losing battle on this issue.
To be fair Lord Foulkes is an individual Labour peer, not a member of the present Government, and his comments were not in the least encouraged by the Government spokesman Baroness Taylor. Still doesnt excuse his mischievous and wholly unhelpful intervention.
 
#14
Don't ever let it be forgotten that this is the same Lord Foulkes who attempted to defend the indefensible by speaking out in favour of Michael Martin MP, the former Speaker whose expense account was beyond the pale of even Westminster standards.
Should tell you all you need to know, really :evil:
 
#15
Being insulted and smeared by the Labour goons is quiet possibly the greatest compliment that can be paid to The Reverand.

The more they try to blacken his name and undermine his position, the greater they expose their own lies and deceit and treachery and the more honorable and loyal he appears. We should rejoice because this campaign is firther damaging their corrupt party and they cannot fathom that they are actually the architects of their own destruction.

Roll on the election, let us be shot of these foul traitors.
 
#16
How can anybody from this busted flush of a Government even dare to THINK about lecturing anyone about loyalty?

Especially the first CGS in living memory who has actually stood up for us whilst in the seat.
 
#17
That is very, very low, whilst I may not agree with every strategic choice General Danatt has made, his support for the troop's living standards and record of service show his integrity, loyalty and honour to be beyond reproach, especially from a no-mark scumbag like Foulkes. I'd ask 'Is there no depth to which they won't sink?' but we all know the answer to that one...
 
#18
Lets look at the Wiki entry too for both

George Foulkes, Baron Foulkes of Cumnock

From Wiki said:
Controversies
George Foulkes has been accused by the Scottish National Party of wasting public and government time money by asking a large number of parliamentary questions, including how much money the Scottish Government has spent on spacehoppers for St Andrew's Day celebrations, and how many times Scottish ministers have met with Scottish musician Sandi Thom. His questions reportedly cost the Government nearly £100,000 to answer.

Foulkes became embroiled in accusations of racism after referring to the Scottish National Party (SNP) of acting in a "xenophobic way". The former Scottish Labour Party leader Henry McLeish called on Foulkes to apologise for the SNP 'racism' claim.

During the 2009 expenses controversy, Foulkes attacked media presenters, saying they were all paid "to come on TV and sneer at democracy and undermine democracy. The vast majority of MPs are being undermined by you" in an exchange with BBC presenter Carrie Gracie.

In 2008, Foulkes had been criticised for his expenses claims, which included around £45,000 over a period of two years for overnight subsistence to stay in a flat he had inherited. Between April 2007 and March 2008, Foulkes claimed £54,527 in expenses from the House of Lords
General Sir Francis Richard Dannatt, GCB, CBE, MC

From Wiki said:
Overall reaction
General Dannatt's comments have received a measure of support in the British Army and amongst retired generals, including former Chief of the Defence Staff, Field Marshal the Lord Bramall. Others are less supportive. The former Home Secretary David Blunkett, for instance, has also criticised Gen. Dannatt for "interfering" in politics, saying it was a "constitutional" issue. An ICM opinion poll for the 15 October 2006 edition of the Sunday Express showed that 71 per cent of the British people believed General Dannatt was right to say that the British presence in Iraq was exacerbating the security situation there. 74 per cent agreed that British soldiers should leave Iraq "some time soon", 57 per cent agreed with Gen. Dannatt's view that "Islamists" were exploiting a "moral vacuum" in British society, and 44 per cent also wanted to see the British Army play a greater role in fighting "Islamic extremism" in Britain.
One's a respected and experienced Senior Army Officer held in high esteem by the troops he commands and the other is a borderline racist Blairite trough lingerer

As the_boy_syrup says, I know who I would trust.
 
#19
Did the noble Lord actually say that?, honestly, did he?, with his very own fat stupid porridge slobbering mouth?, my my, what a product of the Scottish education system that I so admired.

He needs "re-educating" somewhere nice and warm...and very very sandy. :x :x :x :x :x
 
#20
ScouseD said:
My understanding has always been that an officer’s loyalty is first and foremost to those under his command. Gen Dannatt is doing his job, while certain politicians are doing their best to undermine him. (Acceptable) words fail me.

Tis true, but in ZANU Labours great new vision of Britain, the only 'loyalty' that matters is to the tribe, currently the Brownenzi Tribe
 

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