Looking to join and eventually become an officer in 4 Para/7 Rifles/London Fusiliers

ydb

Swinger
I know you can only apply for the Paras once you've completed their basic training, and they're airborne. On the other hand, I've read that the rifles are probably more well rounded. I'm also considering the Fusiliers but am leaning towards Para or Rifles at the moment.

Just wanted to know some of the differences between these regiments and potentially applying as an officer in them. The standards and what's expected etc. Is it a lot harder to make officer in Paras?

Also, I read in an old thread from 2007 that the Rifles and Fusiliers tend to prefer more public school types whereas the Paras are less focused on this? Is this still true and is it the same in the reserves?

Thanks
 

Joker62

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The_Duke

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The commissioning process is managed by Sandhurst and will be the same standard for all.

For 4 PARA you will have to pass P Coy, and then maintain a higher level of fitness than is mandated for the others. That doesn’t mean there aren’t fit officers and soldiers in the Rifles/London’s. It just means that there is no hiding in 4 PARA if you can only meet the minimum standards. If keeping fit isn’t your thing, don’t go for 4 PARA.

I can’t speak for the others, but passing Sandhurst and P Coy do not guarantee you staying in 4 PARA. I dispatched two junior officers who had passed the tests but weren’t up to scratch to other units.

The downside for 4 PARA is that it is only a Coy location in London. If you decide to stay for more than a few years you will have fewer options available than you would in a full London based Bn.
 

MoleBath

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Infantry is a good 1st step in a AR career . With that as a basic you can fit into a number of different roles if your job moves around or if you fancy a switch.
 

ydb

Swinger
Thanks for the replies.


The commissioning process is managed by Sandhurst and will be the same standard for all.

For 4 PARA you will have to pass P Coy, and then maintain a higher level of fitness than is mandated for the others. That doesn’t mean there aren’t fit officers and soldiers in the Rifles/London’s. It just means that there is no hiding in 4 PARA if you can only meet the minimum standards. If keeping fit isn’t your thing, don’t go for 4 PARA.

I can’t speak for the others, but passing Sandhurst and P Coy do not guarantee you staying in 4 PARA. I dispatched two junior officers who had passed the tests but weren’t up to scratch to other units.

The downside for 4 PARA is that it is only a Coy location in London. If you decide to stay for more than a few years you will have fewer options available than you would in a full London based Bn.
The Duke, sounds good on the fitness front as I think it would be a good way to stay motivated in that regard. What sort of standard would this be?
For those who were dispatched to other units, would you say it would have been better for them to had started in them units, so they know the people and it doesn't look like second choice? Or do people not really care about this?

Don't know if I'm being thick here, but why would there be less opportunities? Do you mean as there is three rifles locations, there would be more chance of being promoted an officer at one of them?

Also, is there a bias for certain types (posh) of officers in other regiments outside Paras? or is this largely outdated now?

Thanks for the help.
 

The_Duke

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Moderator
To give a measure, I used to run the standard 8 mile CFT a few times a year just to ensure that the correct standard for bounty was met. The rest of the time we would expect to do a 10 miler in the same time.

I think turning up at a unit having been rejected by you previous one is never going to look great, but the AR can be fairly mobile as locations and time commitments change. If they settled in better there I am sure it would all work out.

B Coy will have platoon commanders, Mor Pl Comd, Company second in command and company commander. There is no real option to move outside of that structure outside of your turn (assuming quality line is met). In a full Bn structure you could post between companies, other specialist platoons, perhaps Int Officer etc.

However, very few stick around long enough for that to be an immediate concern.
 

ydb

Swinger
Ok sounds good, so maintaining fitness test levels would be the goal. Para definitely appeals, what sort of standards for the initial testing would be in the top third generally?

I would like to progress as an officer, but think being part of the Paras would be a great experience in itself, regardless if this delays progression. That being said both the Fusiliers and Rifles look like great units. The Fusiliers I believe have only a couple of locations in London, so do you think would also limit the opportunity to progress?

Why do so few stick around? Lack of commitment ?
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
You will need to look to the website for entry standards as I am a little out of date.

Most leave because life gets in the way. Job takes off, more family demands etc and something has to give.
 

ydb

Swinger
Ok thanks mate. I imagine that is the case throughout most of the reserves, but would you say it's harder to fit the paras in with civvy life?
 

The_Duke

LE
Moderator
Can’t really answer that one as I don’t have first hand knowledge of other units, but I suspect it will be broadly similar.
 
To give a measure, I used to run the standard 8 mile CFT a few times a year just to ensure that the correct standard for bounty was met. The rest of the time we would expect to do a 10 miler in the same time.

I think turning up at a unit having been rejected by you previous one is never going to look great, but the AR can be fairly mobile as locations and time commitments change. If they settled in better there I am sure it would all work out.

B Coy will have platoon commanders, Mor Pl Comd, Company second in command and company commander. There is no real option to move outside of that structure outside of your turn (assuming quality line is met). In a full Bn structure you could post between companies, other specialist platoons, perhaps Int Officer etc.

However, very few stick around long enough for that to be an immediate concern.
Do you have any BN pids who are based at a coy location?

Our BN trg officer and senior volunteer hang around one coy, despite being based out of BN HQ. And we have a coy bod who hangs around one of our troops.
 

The_Duke

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Do you have any BN pids who are based at a coy location?

Our BN trg officer and senior volunteer hang around one coy, despite being based out of BN HQ. And we have a coy bod who hangs around one of our troops.
Not really. There is some flexibility, but the reality is that the Coy is pretty much self contained. I was based there as Bn 2IC, but that was totally dependent on my relationship with the CO. I got on OK with the next one, but didn’t have the relationship to allow for that lack of physical presence.
 
Not really. There is some flexibility, but the reality is that the Coy is pretty much self contained. I was based there as Bn 2IC, but that was totally dependent on my relationship with the CO. I got on OK with the next one, but didn’t have the relationship to allow for that lack of physical presence.
Pretty much what we do.

The permanent and full time positions are at hq but part time reservist spots are a bit more mobile.
 

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