London's burning

Well I'd suggest each block has their own volunteer fire fighters, but seeing how far they have to walk to fetch water perhaps it's a bit of a non starter.
No, just take the cladding off. The original design of these blocks was that each apartment was fire rated, you could let a fire rage in one apartment and it would not spread to others. Putting the cladding up completely ruined that plan.
 
Being permitted to stop commemorating the Grenfell fire ?
Not all of us feel the need to signal our virtue. I don’t recall many such publicised or recurrent services of remembrance for the victims of other fire tragedies which have occurred in recent history.
 

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No, just take the cladding off. The original design of these blocks was that each apartment was fire rated, you could let a fire rage in one apartment and it would not spread to others. Putting the cladding up completely ruined that plan.
Except.

That only applied at the moment of completion - from then on, the concrete partitions would age and deteriorate.

Factor in the standard of construction and the rate of deterioration would be alarming.

A good example of this would be the majority of the buildings forming Broadgate Circle. The design favoured at the time featured fire refuges and escapes at the cardinal points of the building. The regulation at the time required 2 minutes protection from flame and (something like) 90 seconds from smoke.

When on a Fire Safety walkabout with a retired LFB ADO 'consultant', he was scathing about the visible deterioration of the construction and, in his view, he believed that the things were no better than vertical mortuaries, after 60 seconds.

Which was a cheery thought.
 
The building was named after Field Marshal Lord Grenfell who commanded troops in the Anglo-Zulu War.

How come nobody has attached ropes to it and tried to pull it down?
Cos it’s an Icon to oppression, fully forgetting that when it was built, it was built by whites for white privileged occupancy replacing slums for the white privileged lower classes.
 
@putteesinmyhands - I'm curious as to why the 'Dislike' for #9689.
You got my first ever dislike because your post is a load of bollocks.

You picked on the wrong project to criticise. Broadgate Circle (Phases 1-3), as with the other 1980s phases, was constructed with regard to prestige and quality. Money was a secondary consideration, hence why the cladding was installed by the most reputable, and expensive, manufacturer of the time. Ditto the architect. Phases 6 & 7 (on the opposite side of the station) were a bit iffy - I blame US contracting for that. All the rest were monitored by me and were, of course, perfect.

On the phases I was involved with, LFB did not represent themselves well. It was obvious that they didn't have a clue about multi-storey buildings and recommended actions that were downright dangerous. It was a long time ago so I forget details but one idea they came up with was to enlarge the wheelchair refuges. While this might seem like a good idea, in practice it would encourage the able-bodied to wait for rescue rather than escape then die as either the oxygen ran out or the temperature became unbearable.

If you want a project that fits your post, I could provide one (or several, for that matter) but I won't as I'd doubtless end up in court.
 
You got my first ever dislike because your post is a load of bollocks.

You picked on the wrong project to criticise. Broadgate Circle (Phases 1-3), as with the other 1980s phases, was constructed with regard to prestige and quality. Money was a secondary consideration, hence why the cladding was installed by the most reputable, and expensive, manufacturer of the time. Ditto the architect. Phases 6 & 7 (on the opposite side of the station) were a bit iffy - I blame US contracting for that. All the rest were monitored by me and were, of course, perfect.

On the phases I was involved with, LFB did not represent themselves well. It was obvious that they didn't have a clue about multi-storey buildings and recommended actions that were downright dangerous. It was a long time ago so I forget details but one idea they came up with was to enlarge the wheelchair refuges. While this might seem like a good idea, in practice it would encourage the able-bodied to wait for rescue rather than escape then die as either the oxygen ran out or the temperature became unbearable.

If you want a project that fits your post, I could provide one (or several, for that matter) but I won't as I'd doubtless end up in court.
Thanks for your on-site insight: very rarely get that, here.

However.

The post was not bollocks: it was my recollection of a conversation from ca 8-9 years ago. The man in question said what he said. As he was the only SME to hand that day, I was obliged to listen. Further, his comments were not directed at cladding but at the nature of the construction and, specifically, the materials used: comments that I've heard repeated by other Fire specialists concerning different buildings.

You want to take it as a personal slight on your professional skills, that's entirely up to you . . . and, as you're here, can you explain why the 2 sky bridges between 1 and 2 Finsbury Avenue were a good 6 inches out?
 
Cos it’s an Icon to oppression, fully forgetting that when it was built, it was built by whites for white privileged occupancy replacing slums for the white privileged lower classes.
No, it wasn't. The first occupants were nearly as culturally diverse as it's last occupants.

North Kensington (Labour) Council decide to demolish perfectly habitable houses (Basement and two floors), with the excuse that they didn't have a bathroom or inside toilet. So they razed the area around Latimer Road, Norland Road and, Norland Market. Having done so,they then presented their plan for the 'modern Tower Blocks' that were in vogue at the time.

A large number of the displaced families, ended up in 'BasVegas' in Essex, Stevenage in Herts and, Ashford in Kent. There were large numbers of demonstrations across West London, against the building of these anti-social death traps (leader in the West London Observer at the time), that was a year before they were built.

After they were built, NK Council found that none of their tenants wanted to move into any of the blocks so, they started clearing Ladbrooke Grove, Westbourne Grove, parts of Portobello Rd and,as far as North Pole Rd, to fill these "wonderful new dwellings". They even volunteered to take older couples from the surrounding Boroughs, My retired parents told them were to put it and, were moved to a block in Hammersmith.

Bit of a rant and,I apologise but, they should never have been built in the first place, they destroyed whole communities that had survived the Blitz, only to be stabbed in the back by, a Labour Council that didn't give a toss for the feelings of it's tenants, just so they could appear 'progressive'!
 
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You want to take it as a personal slight on your professional skills, that's entirely up to you . . . and, as you're here, can you explain why the 2 sky bridges between 1 and 2 Finsbury Avenue were a good 6 inches out?
No slight taken, as I said, Phases 1-3 weren't mine.

I haven't a clue about 1/2 Finsbury Avenue. They would have been part of the Finsbury Square development, not Broadgate Circle, and were completed the year before I arrived.
 

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Tonight I'm lighting up my gaff with flashing red lights, taking the knee and banging the saucepans for:

The wartime casualties to the fire service during raid firefighting in England and Wales amounted to roughly 700 fireman and 20 firewomen killed in action and 6,000 seriously injured. In one raid alone, 91 firemen died and several hundred were injured protecting London.

"And many learned the nastier ways of dying.
Or limped back, maimed and shattered, from the strife,
While all endured unpleasantness and danger
Continually—and learned to like life."

Frank Eyre
 

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....".during the war.".......
Yeah right.
Claiming that the Gunpowder Plot is "recent history" to you puts you leagues ahead of Tropper, John G and even Bugsy in the porkies championship.
 
Yeah right.
Claiming that the Gunpowder Plot is "recent history" to you puts you leagues ahead of Tropper, John G and even Bugsy in the porkies championship.

Ever heard of "uncle albert" from fools and horses, and in context of recent history, England's history goes back may thousands of years, so yes, its recent, and the post was a piss take, As Slipperman, and HSF in post #9686, and Irlsgt, HSF, Ecosse, Molebath, And Ivan the Tolerable in post #9684 realised,....do try and keep up!
 
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Ever heard of "uncle albert" from fools and horses, and in context of recent history, England's history goes back may thousands of years, so yes, its recent, and the post was a piss take, As Slipperman, and HSF in post #9686, and Irlsgt, HSF, Ecosse, And Ivan the Tolerable in post #9684 realised,....do try and keep up!
I'm still not wrong with your porkies.
 

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