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Well least the chief left with thanks from her union ( I do love a woman in uniform).

On a more serious note, there is A popular opinion she’s been hung out to dry, scapegoat by our favourite mayor and cronies.


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Well least the chief left with thanks from her union ( I do love a woman in uniform).

On a more serious note, there is A popular opinion she’s been hung out to dry, scapegoat by our favourite mayor and cronies.


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They were bussing firefighters in from around the country to attend.
 
Slightly digressing, 2 and half decades ago LFB did a trial of a helicopter. In this case it was then McAlpines (now Airbus Helicopters Uk) provided a MbB Bk117C1. It was fitted with FLIR and searchlight..eye in the sky, command post et al worked for a while.

In the last decade the likes of Avon and Somerset Fire used an Airbus Helicopters H145. Based at Bristol Fulton.

Think LFB May have done another trial with an H145...

anyhow throw back to RIAT 2013, then Eurocopter U.K. put on a parapublic airborne angels demo. One of the participants was Fire demo H145 (my photos) to deliver the fire crews to the trauma.

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MOD and RAF firefighters been doing this a fair few years, in the 80s they stripped the ladder and light fittings from a range rover crash truck and backed it into a chinook to fly to a harrier crash in the falklands,then in the balkans and iraq they would deploy as part of mert if needed with portable rta cutting kit, lighting and ifex fire fighting system or 90ltr foam trolley.
 

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Could it be to do with the prevalence of timber-framed buildings, these days?

Fire- traps......
I was speaking to a Station Officer at a fire safety consultation event in Glasgow during what passed for a summer, and he wasn't very complimentary about timber-framed buildings - according to him they only get built because they're cheap.
 
I was speaking to a Station Officer at a fire safety consultation event in Glasgow during what passed for a summer, and he wasn't very complimentary about timber-framed buildings - according to him they only get built because they're cheap.
Well your station officer should educate himself then.

It is possible to build cheap timber frame but it doesn't mean all timber frame is cheap and poor quality. Properly specced timber frame houses have the same or better fire resistance ratings as bricks and mortar (which are subdivided inside with timber, have timber roof trusses, timber floor joists, timber floors etc etc)
 
Could it be to do with the prevalence of timber- framed buildings, these days ?

Fire- traps......
I was speaking to a Station Officer at a fire safety consultation event in Glasgow during what passed for a summer, and he wasn't very complimentary about timber-framed buildings - according to him they only get built because they're cheap.
There are arguments made that engineered wood is not prone to warping with heat like steel and that superficial charring tends to self extinguish and protect the inner structure of the timber. That may be true of quality engineered wood, glulam and dense grain timber or in test or special conditions but short cuts, use of lower standard (cheap) materials and use of insulation that can support combustion suggests increased risk. Timber comes in different grades and types of proofing.

Fire Risks and Timber frame homes - What you need to know

https://www.nist.gov/system/files/documents/el/fire_research/NIST-Timber-Report-v4-Copy.pdf

GreenSpec: Cross-Laminated Timber/CLT: Fire Resistance and Rating
 
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Well your station officer should educate himself then.

It is possible to build cheap timber frame but it doesn't mean all timber frame is cheap and poor quality. Properly specced timber frame houses have the same or better fire resistance ratings as bricks and mortar (which are subdivided inside with timber, have timber roof trusses, timber floor joists, timber floors etc etc)
Totally agree. We are capable of building 2 hour compartmentation buildings using timber and have been for at least the last ten years. Cheaper? Yes, but just as efficient and quicker to build than “traditional construction”
The problem seems (to me) to be that inspections, control and enforcement of the design and construction of timber framed buildings is lacking in the quality of inspectors. They need to get some specialists in to scrutinise and oversee the projects. I’m available, for a reasonable daily fee.
 
Totally agree. We are capable of building 2 hour compartmentation buildings using timber and have been for at least the last ten years. Cheaper? Yes, but just as efficient and quicker to build than “traditional construction”
The problem seems (to me) to be that inspections, control and enforcement of the design and construction of timber framed buildings is lacking in the quality of inspectors. They need to get some specialists in to scrutinise and oversee the projects. I’m available, for a reasonable daily fee.
Getting a mortgage and building insurance?
 
Getting a mortgage and building insurance?
Sure. Just ensure a qualified inspector and chain of construction type, method and compliance and make insurance companies are aware of the modern techniques.(that last bit is the difficult section a bureaucracy has to adapt to...)
 
Well least the chief left with thanks from her union ( I do love a woman in uniform).

On a more serious note, there is A popular opinion she’s been hung out to dry, scapegoat by our favourite mayor and cronies.


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That photo serves to remind me that every time I see a gathering of the modern day LFB, I‘m struck with the impression that they don’t quite grasp the concept of uniform.
 

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Sure. Just ensure a qualified inspector and chain of construction type, method and compliance and make insurance companies are aware of the modern techniques.(that last bit is the difficult section a bureaucracy has to adapt to...)
Stop it, yer killing me...
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Totally agree. We are capable of building 2 hour compartmentation buildings using timber and have been for at least the last ten years. Cheaper? Yes, but just as efficient and quicker to build than “traditional construction”
The problem seems (to me) to be that inspections, control and enforcement of the design and construction of timber framed buildings is lacking in the quality of inspectors. They need to get some specialists in to scrutinise and oversee the projects. I’m available, for a reasonable daily fee.
that is certainly the problem in Australia. Inspections are not happening of either the type or the volume needed. Many jurisdictions rely on the builder self certifying and before issuing the certificate of occupation for the building the building surveyor merely collects and inspects the various sign offs before issuing the certificate of occupancy. incidentally charing rates in timber can be accurately calculated and it is surprising how much the frl of a massive timber beam is,
 
This may have been asked already.
What is the opinion of Dany Cotton among the rank and file of trumpton?
Some think she's alright, some can't stand her. The crowds you're seeing are more about the way she's being scapegoated by Khan et al than about her being some sort of inspirational leader.
 
Well your station officer should educate himself then.

It is possible to build cheap timber frame but it doesn't mean all timber frame is cheap and poor quality. Properly specced timber frame houses have the same or better fire resistance ratings as bricks and mortar (which are subdivided inside with timber, have timber roof trusses, timber floor joists, timber floors etc etc)
Timber frames are just fine if they're built to the correct standard. Which assumes that the contractors actually bother to install the fire barriers in the void spaces.

"Missing fire barriers at 37% of homes on the Greenacres estate."
 
This may have been asked already.
What is the opinion of Dany Cotton among the rank and file of trumpton?
I think that the general consensus is that she had her chair quietly removed whilst the music was playing.
As has been opined by numerous bodies and individuals, including on here, the inquiry has reported back to front in terms of events. The LFB HMICFRS inspection report didn’t do her any favours although it was by no means the worst report of all the brigades inspected, some of the findings were hard to defend, such as incident command courses being pass on attendance and some blue light drivers not having being retrained in 20 years.
 
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