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This from today's The Australian giving the Australian perspective on a story from The Sunday Times. As the link may not work for you all, I've copied the text (but not the photos, which add nothing).

$1.6mcompo for ‘extended’ Grenfell Tower family
ScotlandYard is investigating a family of 15 who claimed to have lived in a single flat in Grenfell Tower, including at least two members who dashed back to London from Melbourneafter the June 14 inferno to receive more than $1.6 million in compensation payments to the family.

The Naqshbandis, who lived on the third floor of the tower in a three-bedroom flat, have claimed four couples, another three single adults, three children and a newly registered baby lived in the flat at the time of the fire.

The lease on the flat was for just four people, including the head of the household and his wife, who were in Melbourne— where they have a relative Ghulam Naqshbandi — when the fire broke out.

The couple cut short their trip to return to London.

Investigators are determining whether this senior couple had intended to stay in Australia permanently.

One family member, Masi Naqshbandi, who later met Prince William at a survivors day, has been revealed as an insurance fraudster who served time in jail.

An investigation by London’sThe Sunday Times has revealed fraud investigators have been called in after the extended Naqshbandi family was given at least three new homes by claiming they lived in the Grenfell flat. Officials connected to the case say the Naqshbandi claims are outrageous. If it had just been the four lease holders,they would have been provided with a single new home and received much less incompensation and benefits.

It is understood each member of the extended family has claimed the government’s assistance to free rent and utility bills until mid-2019, £300 ($530) a week, free travel, the government’s one-off payment of £5000 and other community grants that have tallied more than £20 000 each. One of the couple’s daughters, Sadaf, has an Australian partner and recently had a baby here. It is uncertain if she has returned to London.

The Sunday Times has revealed that Masi Naqshbandi claimed to live in the flat and registered the birth of his then three-week-old baby at the Grenfell address two days after the fire.

Masi, 33, served jail time for one of Britain’s biggest insurance frauds, staging 250 crashes to scam insurance companies of more than $14 million. He and his wife Mojda Habib registered their son’s birth on June 16 and have now moved into a new government-provided flat, furnished with high-end goods, near Kensington Palace. He met Prince William at a fire survivor day.

Masi Naqshbandi told The Sunday Times he and his wife were living in Grenfell Tower well before the fire and that he had documents to prove this. He said some relatives slept in the living room and shared bedrooms, but admitted the entire family did not stay in the flat at the same time. When the newspaper told him that his and his wife’s names appeared on the electoral register at his in-laws’ address in Harrow, Masi Naqshbandi said it was an address he gave for legal reasons for “overnight stays” and “day visits” from prison.

The paper reported that another uncle had registered his driver’s licence at the Grenfell address eight months after the fire.

At his two-storey home in an outlying suburb southeast of Melbourne, Masi’s uncle Ghulam Naqshbandi confirmed to The Australian that he had family who had been affected by the Grenfell fire. “There is no problem, everybody is okay,” he said.

He told The Australian his UK-based brother and sister-in-law, Masi Naqshbandi’s parents, had been in Australia for a month when the tower burned down. He said his relatives had planned to spend 40 days in Melbourne but cut short their trip by 10 days.

Asked whether there were 15 people living in the apartment and all had escaped uninjured, he appeared startled and said “Huh?” in surprise. He said he did not know who or how many people had lived in the flat.

He said he was not aware of the allegations made against his relatives, including previous allegations about Masi.

The British courts are hearing two trials of people who allegedly falsely claimed they lived in the tower.

One was given £1.7 million in cash and was housed free at the Holland Park Hilton. The court heard she had claimed to be her sister and reported herself missing.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/16m-compo-for-extended-grenfell-tower-family/news-story/c98f8745a7a900333db9be4d9f2ca8b1?login=1
I wonder if anyone has bothered to phone other councils in London to see how many flats they actually have?
Doubt very much 15 of them are in one flat without a long list of complaints from them about overcrowding.
More likely there are a few flats scattered about being sublet.
 
I wonder if anyone has bothered to phone other councils in London to see how many flats they actually have?
Doubt very much 15 of them are in one flat without a long list of complaints from them about overcrowding.
More likely there are a few flats scattered about being sublet.
Most likely the 4 on the tenancy agreement were living there and the rest have jumped on the compo bandwagon.
 
Most likely the 4 on the tenancy agreement were living there and the rest have jumped on the compo bandwagon.
Or as sometimes happens, they are seasonal workers in places such as Eurodisney, and sublet while working away, or as has also happened in the past, they have social housing in several other countries and its part of their property portfolio
 

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It will probably be renamed something inspiring to all the doctors, scientists and engineers of Grenfell such as Mandela Tower
Zuma tower surely?
 
Or as sometimes happens, they are seasonal workers in places such as Eurodisney, and sublet while working away, or as has also happened in the past, they have social housing in several other countries and its part of their property portfolio
1 with a long record of fraudulent claims a few more already registered at other addresses and another one who registered his driving license there months after the fire.
 
1 with a long record of fraudulent claims a few more already registered at other addresses and another one who registered his driving license there months after the fire.
it beats me that in these days of technology and high speed data, the relevant councils and authorities cannot set up a common database to cross check details
the insurance companies used to be like this with cars, and many years ago it was not unknown for a car to be insured with two companies and claims made with both
also they did not like swapping information
nowadays its commonplace and they have a crooks register as it where
 
and another one who registered his driving license there months after the fire.
Just to fan the flames, if you were living in temporary accommodation, at what address would you register your driving licence? While there is the potential for fraudulent activity, such an action may not necessarily be underhand. I presume that the Royal Mail still has a facility for redirecting letters temporarily.
 
Just to fan the flames, if you were living in temporary accommodation, at what address would you register your driving licence? While there is the potential for fraudulent activity, such an action may not necessarily be underhand. I presume that the Royal Mail still has a facility for redirecting letters temporarily.
Personally I'd register it at my temporary accommodation if possible then change it when I found somewhere permanent,what I wouldn't do is register it at a condemned building.
 
Just to fan the flames, if you were living in temporary accommodation, at what address would you register your driving licence? While there is the potential for fraudulent activity, such an action may not necessarily be underhand. I presume that the Royal Mail still has a facility for redirecting letters temporarily.

Depends how you look at it.
If he's reached the age of 70 (45 for LGV) or it's reached it's 10 expiry point for a photo license and it's expired he probably just renewed it using his old address.
Anything else and you would wonder why he's done it.
It's £1000 fine to have the wrong address on your driving licence.
Easy enough to check
Although it does seem strange considering how many people where asking where they should get back cards etc sent in the first few days and collection points were being arranged.
 
I note Emma Dent Coad has opened her big fat mouth again bleating at the council for spending money on keeping people in accommodation.

"Emma Dent Coad, who is the local Labour MP, said: ‘Taxpayers will be shocked to hear that our wasteful and incompetent council has already spent nearly £30million keeping survivors and bereaved families in hotels."

Jezza, you've got one job. Keep her mouth shut.

(Oh wait, that should be two jobs, the other one being stop being so far up your pal Putin's backside that you look like a suppository. He ordered a chemical weapons attack on exiles from his country and a British city got contaminated. Deal with it.)
 
Where would the survivors have stayed whilst these tower blocks were being built?

I think that's the point what are they wanting to suit their need's
The council says they've spent £235 million on 307 homes
That's £765, 000 per house?
What are they buying and what are the remaining ones holding out for?
One minute they are living 15 to a flat and now nothings suitable?
 
They should contact Lenny Henry, see if he can get those cheap hotel rates hes always advertising
s I understand it, it's not just the overnight costs it includes all meals and drinks.
Some will obviously stay because the are getting fed etc for free and I assume trousering their benefits into the bargain.
 
From that link:
Kensington and Chelsea Council confirmed three doors were tested and provided "less protection than guidelines recommend", but said test results are "as yet inconclusive".
Smoke and Jink!

So we have:
Substandard doors.
Substandard cladding.

Want to place money on it being a cost saving exercise? Now where will the hot potato land, in whose lap? Was it a last minute change from a subcontractor to save cash, or was it with the management committee?

Not having been involved with this sort of thing before, is it so common for so many companies involved to have ceased trading?
 
Well seventy or so people died because of Government cost cutting and “Looking t other way.”

Both Labour (who brought out the new legislation in 2004) and the Tories (who did nothing about it despite fatal indicators) will both be sweating.
 
Well seventy or so people died because of Government cost cutting and “Looking t other way.”

Both Labour (who brought out the new legislation in 2004) and the Tories (who did nothing about it despite fatal indicators) will both be sweating.
Hardly. I suspect its more likely down to a private company, the closest to government its going to land is Mrs Coad.
 
Go back to the start of the thread.
Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004 caused this.
How so? Seems quite straightforward to me.

The Fire & Rescue Services Act 2004 sets out the duties and powers of fire authorities. Under the Act, the Fire Authority has a number of core functions:
  • Fire Safety - promoting fire safety, including the provision of information and publicity on steps to be taken to prevent fires and the giving of advice on how to prevent fires and on the means of escape from buildings in case of fire.
  • Fire Fighting - extinguishing fires and protecting life and property in the event of fires.
  • Road Traffic Accidents - rescuing people in the event of road traffic accidents and protecting people from serious harm in the event of road traffic accidents.
  • Emergencies - when necessary deal with emergencies, other than fires and road traffic accidents.
 

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